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[Lizzie Zoom]

I remember all that only too well as I was 12 at the time.  It was a very sad moment and marked the passing of more than Winston.

May we never forget that great man

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I remember all that only too well as I was 12 at the time.  It was a very sad moment and marked the passing of more than Winston.

May we never forget that great man

Many young 'woke' people want him erased from history. Apparently he is responsible for everything from genocide to racism, and was a big believer in eugenics and the forced sterilisation of women considered to be of 'feeble mind' and 'questionable morals'

I would say he was simply a man of his time, much like the slave traders  200  years before him, who were probably considered successful businessmen rather than evil white oppressors.

Only George Floyd was without flaws.   May I suggest a statue for the great man.



   

[Lizzie Zoom]

I remember all that only too well as I was 12 at the time.  It was a very sad moment and marked the passing of more than Winston.

May we never forget that great man

Many young 'woke' people want him erased from history. Apparently he is responsible for everything from genocide to racism, and was a big believer in eugenics and the forced sterilisation of women considered to be of 'feeble mind' and 'questionable morals'

I would say he was simply a man of his time, much like the slave traders  200  years before him, who were probably considered successful businessmen rather than evil white oppressors.

Only George Floyd was without flaws.   May I suggest a statue for the great man.

 

In my experience I have not found that with many,, many, "young people" Opti, as a great many of them do understand what he did for this Country and the free World.  Thank God from schools, through the media, like books, films TV documentaries, to university he is still widely discussed in positive terms.  He had his well known flaws, but what he actually achieved as a man for his time is still admired globally.

In two hundred years time people will still know of him and admire what he did as we do with Nelson, Wellington etc., who actually did not achieve what Winston did.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

In my experience Lizzie most young people have very little interest in history. Young people tend to live in moment.....which is both good and bad.

I'd wager that if you showed a picture of 'Winnie' and a picture of Beyonce (or any other celeb) to 100 14/15 year olds the vast majority would have no idea who Churchill was.

The 'woke' university kids may recognise him slightly more but generally not in a positive way.

That's life, I suppose.

[Lizzie Zoom]

In my experience Lizzie most young people have very little interest in history. Young people tend to live in moment.....which is both good and bad.

I'd wager that if you showed a picture of 'Winnie' and a picture of Beyonce (or any other celeb) to 100 14/15 year olds the vast majority would have no idea who Churchill was.

The 'woke' university kids may recognise him slightly more but generally not in a positive way.

That's life, I suppose.

That is not my experience.  But the current generation are no different to our generation.  How many kids in the 1960's were interested in anything but the current pop scene, girls (in the case of the boys) and boys, with hair, make up and the latest fashions, in the case of us girls. Indeed everything before "our time" was very old, grey, drab, boring and square!

With advancing age Opti we can all become cynical of the modern generation, but they will prove to be little different from us when they mature and take up fully the reigns and responsibility of life.  What our generation should be doing now is just hoping the young will start to correct and resolve the issues we have left during our lives but that will take time and new attitudes about what is really important.

As you say, "that's life"

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

In my experience Lizzie most young people have very little interest in history. Young people tend to live in moment.....which is both good and bad.

I'd wager that if you showed a picture of 'Winnie' and a picture of Beyonce (or any other celeb) to 100 14/15 year olds the vast majority would have no idea who Churchill was.

The 'woke' university kids may recognise him slightly more but generally not in a positive way.

That's life, I suppose.

That is not my experience.  But the current generation are no different to our generation.  How many kids in the 1960's were interested in anything but the current pop scene, girls (in the case of the boys) and boys, with hair, make up and the latest fashions, in the case of us girls. Indeed everything before "our time" was very old, grey, drab, boring and square!

With advancing age Opti we can all become cynical of the modern generation, but they will prove to be little different from us when they mature and take up fully the reigns and responsibility of life.  What our generation should be doing now is just hoping the young will start to correct and resolve the issues we have left during our lives but that will take time and new attitudes about what is really important.

As you say, "that's life"

This is broadly what I said in my first sentence, Lizzie......

Your second paragraph demonstrates the ground people our age now occupy, as we  become increasingly aware of our mortality.......and we are all a long time dead.

[Doctor Gollum]

Gesundheit 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Gesundheit 

Being 'fick' I shall need to google this. 

[Broomies Mate]

Gesundheit 

Being 'fick' I shall need to google this. 

Awwww, bless you!

[Doctor Gollum]

Gesundheit 

Being 'fick' I shall need to google this. 

Watch out for the sniffles as you ponder your mortality 

[Lizzie Zoom]

In my experience Lizzie most young people have very little interest in history. Young people tend to live in moment.....which is both good and bad.

I'd wager that if you showed a picture of 'Winnie' and a picture of Beyonce (or any other celeb) to 100 14/15 year olds the vast majority would have no idea who Churchill was.

The 'woke' university kids may recognise him slightly more but generally not in a positive way.

That's life, I suppose.

That is not my experience.  But the current generation are no different to our generation.  How many kids in the 1960's were interested in anything but the current pop scene, girls (in the case of the boys) and boys, with hair, make up and the latest fashions, in the case of us girls. Indeed everything before "our time" was very old, grey, drab, boring and square!

With advancing age Opti we can all become cynical of the modern generation, but they will prove to be little different from us when they mature and take up fully the reigns and responsibility of life.  What our generation should be doing now is just hoping the young will start to correct and resolve the issues we have left during our lives but that will take time and new attitudes about what is really important.

As you say, "that's life"

This is broadly what I said in my first sentence, Lizzie......

Your second paragraph demonstrates the ground people our age now occupy, as we  become increasingly aware of our mortality.......and we are all a long time dead.

No, not quite.  You was making the statement they have little to no interest.  Although I recognise that the young are no different to as we were, they actually are more "World Aware" with the magic of the internet that now brings into their homes more facts about history, and everything else. They also have universal television, documentaries and the ability to see the war films that are still popular.  More of them study hard at school, then college, and progress to uni, with large numbers studying history and politics as I did.  Certainly us girls were once not meant to do that, but now far more young females now enter the "serious" subjects as also found out at uni with 60% of the years occupied by women.

So from that point of view, today's youngsters are actually in higher numbers, and actively involved in higher studies than ever before, and of course they have to be in our Country's IT and advanced, in everything, age. Yes, in the ways I stated they are little different to how we were at their ages, but now they aim higher and in greater numbers.  To simply rule the younger generation out and say they have little interest in history, World politics, or anything else is doing them an injustice.  The World we have created is far more complicated than it was for us, so from that point of view I am glad I had my childhood when I did!

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

In my experience Lizzie most young people have very little interest in history. Young people tend to live in moment.....which is both good and bad.

I'd wager that if you showed a picture of 'Winnie' and a picture of Beyonce (or any other celeb) to 100 14/15 year olds the vast majority would have no idea who Churchill was.

The 'woke' university kids may recognise him slightly more but generally not in a positive way.

That's life, I suppose.

That is not my experience.  But the current generation are no different to our generation.  How many kids in the 1960's were interested in anything but the current pop scene, girls (in the case of the boys) and boys, with hair, make up and the latest fashions, in the case of us girls. Indeed everything before "our time" was very old, grey, drab, boring and square!

With advancing age Opti we can all become cynical of the modern generation, but they will prove to be little different from us when they mature and take up fully the reigns and responsibility of life.  What our generation should be doing now is just hoping the young will start to correct and resolve the issues we have left during our lives but that will take time and new attitudes about what is really important.

As you say, "that's life"

This is broadly what I said in my first sentence, Lizzie......

Your second paragraph demonstrates the ground people our age now occupy, as we  become increasingly aware of our mortality.......and we are all a long time dead.

No, not quite.  You was making the statement they have little to no interest.  Although I recognise that the young are no different to as we were, they actually are more "World Aware" with the magic of the internet that now brings into their homes more facts about history, and everything else. They also have universal television, documentaries and the ability to see the war films that are still popular.  More of them study hard at school, then college, and progress to uni, with large numbers studying history and politics as I did.  Certainly us girls were once not meant to do that, but now far more young females now enter the "serious" subjects as also found out at uni with 60% of the years occupied by women.

So from that point of view, today's youngsters are actually in higher numbers, and actively involved in higher studies than ever before, and of course they have to be in our Country's IT and advanced, in everything, age. Yes, in the ways I stated they are little different to how we were at their ages, but now they aim higher and in greater numbers.  To simply rule the younger generation out and say they have little interest in history, World politics, or anything else is doing them an injustice.  The World we have created is far more complicated than it was for us, so from that point of view I am glad I had my childhood when I did!

Hmmm......I'm not so sure Victorian England was as romantic and simple as you make out, Lizzie....

[Sir Tigger KC]

I would say he was simply a man of his time, much like the slave traders  200  years before him, who were probably considered successful businessmen rather than evil white oppressors.

Only George Floyd was without flaws.   May I suggest a statue for the great man.

I believe that there is an empty statue plinth on Bristol docks that the young wokish would deem a suitable spot! 

[STEMO]

I would say he was simply a man of his time, much like the slave traders  200  years before him, who were probably considered successful businessmen rather than evil white oppressors.

Only George Floyd was without flaws.   May I suggest a statue for the great man.

I believe that there is an empty statue plinth on Bristol docks that the young wokish would deem a suitable spot! 

Quite windy down there, it would catch his lips.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I would say he was simply a man of his time, much like the slave traders  200  years before him, who were probably considered successful businessmen rather than evil white oppressors.

Only George Floyd was without flaws.   May I suggest a statue for the great man.

I believe that there is an empty statue plinth on Bristol docks that the young wokish would deem a suitable spot! 

Quite windy down there, it would catch his lips.

You can't say that in 2020......Oh you just did.