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[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

With freedom comes responsibility. You should have the freedom to decide not to be jabbed.
You should then be responsible enough to stay away from other people, as there is a chance you could be responsible for killing someone without even knowing you had done it.
If you arent responsible enough / too self centred to do this then TB will hopefully cull you. 

I suspect that by the end of next month - when the Christmas / new year surge is over - and the picture becomes clearer, it will be decided that the current strain is not actually as great a threat to life as previous ones, and everyone should get back to something close to what we used to think of as normal.
Everyone having the jabs will of course get us there a lot quicker.
If we get well into this year and deaths are low and hospitals arent overwhelmed by Covid, but we are still being bombarded with fear and horror from all sides, that is the time to start worrying about Politicians wanting to keep control of us for the sake of it.
Those who are currently on that side of the argument are a bit premature imo.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.

The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).

Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?

These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria.

But for starters, speaking specifically about covid-19, if you refuse the jabs because you are ignorant, arrogant or believe shite on arsebook, that should immediately reduce your priority to medical care for said disease.

That in itself will help cull a few....

This I do agree with. 

I can see the logic but......

One of the biggest drains on the NHS is treatment of obese people (to be kind and PC) I will refer to them as fat bastards.

Illness related to smoking is huge as is the cost to the NHS.

It can be argued these are all self inflicted......as opposed to being hit by a bus.

Now if TB culled all of these first.

[LC0112G]

However, I don't see how not being vaccinated makes any difference to vaccinated people.

In the long run, hopefully it won't. In the short term however, not being vaccinated makes it much more likely you end up in Hospital, ICU, or dead. That does directly affect vaccinated people, because they have to pay for your care, and it also deprives the vaccinated of a bed they may need for heart or stroke treatment.

Keir mancervix Starmer has caught the lurgy again despite being triple jabbed, and may well have been infected by somebody else who is double or triple jabbed.

Agreed, but AFAIK he hasn't ended up in hospital costing you and me money - presumably because he's triple jabbed and recovered.

My point, in general, is that I want government influence on my life to be as small as possible. If we get to the point where everyone is forced to be vaccinated against their will then it all becomes 1984 and Room 101.

The UK has had mandatory vaccinations in the past for Small Pox(1853-1971). I understand the slippery slope argument, but the truth is no two people have the same opinions on everything, so something that is acceptable to you may not be acceptable to me and vice verca). The basic tenet of society is that if you want to live in that society, then you need to abide by the rules of that society. If you no longer agree with those rules you can campaign to change them, or bu99er off to somewhere where their rules are more acceptable to you. However, ignoring the rules probably won't be tolerated for very long.

[LC0112G]

None of the countries mentioned are proposing to hold people down and stab them in the arm with whatever the latest jab is. They're going to fine people who aren't jabbed, and deny them access to certain public facilities - libraries, cinemas, pubs, bars, swimming pools etc.

The European Court of Human Rights has already ruled this is lawful in a case brought by two Czech people. Article 2 (Govt responsibility for public health) trumped Article 8 (respect for your private life).

Are you Ok if their children are excluded from school?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to work and make a living?
Are you OK if the unvaccinated are not allowed to use the supermarket?

These restrictions tend to get 'extended' especially when talikng about countries with form.....such as Germany, Italy, and Austria.

But for starters, speaking specifically about covid-19, if you refuse the jabs because you are ignorant, arrogant or believe shite on arsebook, that should immediately reduce your priority to medical care for said disease.

That in itself will help cull a few....

This I do agree with. 

I can see the logic but......

One of the biggest drains on the NHS is treatment of obese people (to be kind and PC) I will refer to them as fat bastards.

Illness related to smoking is huge as is the cost to the NHS.

It can be argued these are all self inflicted......as opposed to being hit by a bus.

Now if TB culled all of these first.

….there wouldn't be many posters left on OOF. 

Illness related to smoking is huge as is the cost to the NHS.

Hmmm.....

In 2020/21, tobacco duty tax receipts in the United Kingdom amounted to approximately 9.96 billion British pounds, compared with 9.29 billion pounds in the previous financial year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1DviQ9mva0

[dave the builder]

I can see the logic but......

One of the biggest drains on the NHS is treatment of obese people (to be kind and PC) I will refer to them as fat bastards.

Illness related to smoking is huge as is the cost to the NHS.

It can be argued these are all self inflicted......as opposed to being hit by a bus.

Now if TB culled all of these first.

the "FAT " , "alcoholic", "smokers" pay tax for the privilege

they can't get treatment in hospitals full of unvaccinated covidiots 

nor can anyone else unfortunate enough to require medical treatment at the moment 

Current vaccinations are not be solution to Covid ,but they are a tool to help keep it in control until we find a working solution .

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

However, I don't see how not being vaccinated makes any difference to vaccinated people.

In the long run, hopefully it won't. In the short term however, not being vaccinated makes it much more likely you end up in Hospital, ICU, or dead. That does directly affect vaccinated people, because they have to pay for your care, and it also deprives the vaccinated of a bed they may need for heart or stroke treatment.

Keir mancervix Starmer has caught the lurgy again despite being triple jabbed, and may well have been infected by somebody else who is double or triple jabbed.

Agreed, but AFAIK he hasn't ended up in hospital costing you and me money - presumably because he's triple jabbed and recovered.

My point, in general, is that I want government influence on my life to be as small as possible. If we get to the point where everyone is forced to be vaccinated against their will then it all becomes 1984 and Room 101.

The UK has had mandatory vaccinations in the past for Small Pox(1853-1971). I understand the slippery slope argument, but the truth is no two people have the same opinions on everything, so something that is acceptable to you may not be acceptable to me and vice verca). The basic tenet of society is that if you want to live in that society, then you need to abide by the rules of that society. If you no longer agree with those rules you can campaign to change them, or bu99er off to somewhere where their rules are more acceptable to you. However, ignoring the rules probably won't be tolerated for very long.

For all his numerous faults Bunter is pretty much a libertarian and I doubt he would be willing to go down the mandated route. We'll see because he also seems to be 'highly suggestable' and easily led....so who knows for sure.

Starmer certainly would. As a socialist I imagine he likes big government and all the control that goes with it.

As you say we have the right to agree to disagree.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I can see the logic but......

One of the biggest drains on the NHS is treatment of obese people (to be kind and PC) I will refer to them as fat bastards.

Illness related to smoking is huge as is the cost to the NHS.

It can be argued these are all self inflicted......as opposed to being hit by a bus.

Now if TB culled all of these first.

the "FAT " , "alcoholic", "smokers" pay tax for the privilege

they can't get treatment in hospitals full of unvaccinated covidiots 

nor can anyone else unfortunate enough to require medical treatment at the moment 

Current vaccinations are not be solution to Covid ,but they are a tool to help keep it in control until we find a working solution .

So do the unvaccinated.

Boris will need permission of 'woke Carrie' before he decides what to do.

[dave the builder]

I can see the logic but......

One of the biggest drains on the NHS is treatment of obese people (to be kind and PC) I will refer to them as fat bastards.

Illness related to smoking is huge as is the cost to the NHS.

It can be argued these are all self inflicted......as opposed to being hit by a bus.

Now if TB culled all of these first.

the "FAT " , "alcoholic", "smokers" pay tax for the privilege

they can't get treatment in hospitals full of unvaccinated covidiots 

nor can anyone else unfortunate enough to require medical treatment at the moment 

Current vaccinations are not be solution to Covid ,but they are a tool to help keep it in control until we find a working solution .

So do the unvaccinated.

Boris will need permission of 'woke Carrie' before he decides what to do.

Everyone pays tax in one form or another agreed BUT ....

The TAX from cake sales for fat people ,fags for smokers and special brew for alcoholics is being used to treat Covidiots

Leaving fat, smoking winos  with no medical treatment 

I may have simplified it ,but hopefully to highlight the point I was making 

[Doctor Gollum]

Best get another mattress in, just to be safe... 

Unless you're a fat smoking whino... In which case you may have a vested interest

[dave the builder]

Best get another mattress in, just to be safe... 

I have a brand new spare in stock 

Unless you're a fat smoking whino... In which case you may have a vested interest

I've paid VAT on cake, fags and booze ,so yes 

Fortunately I don't need medical treatment myself ATM

My last personal trip to a doctors was for paid for by me, Yellow fever, Hep B etc vaccinations 15+ years ago 

so I'm not really a drain on NHS resources

I have a first aid kit with plasters in 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Best get another mattress in, just to be safe... 

I have a brand new spare in stock 

Unless you're a fat smoking whino... In which case you may have a vested interest

I've paid VAT on cake, fags and booze ,so yes 

Fortunately I don't need medical treatment myself ATM

My last personal trip to a doctors was for paid for by me, Yellow fever, Hep B etc vaccinations 15+ years ago 

so I'm not really a drain on NHS resources

I have a first aid kit with plasters in 

I think we just have a bottle of TCP. Pretty sure that can cure anything.

[dave the builder]

I think we just have a bottle of TCP. Pretty sure that can cure anything.

a decent antiseptic 

won't stop you getting run over by the Covid bus though 
you could throw the bottle at the bus screen  to obscure the driver's view and then jump out the way 

[Doctor Gollum]

I think we just have a bottle of TCP. Pretty sure that can cure anything.

a decent antiseptic 

won't stop you getting run over by the Covid bus though 
you could throw the bottle at the bus screen  to obscure the driver's view and then jump out the way 

Or drink it...

[dave the builder]

I think we just have a bottle of TCP. Pretty sure that can cure anything.

a decent antiseptic 

won't stop you getting run over by the Covid bus though 
you could throw the bottle at the bus screen  to obscure the driver's view and then jump out the way 

Or drink it...

it's poisonous 
so the Covid bus would have a better chance if you "drink it" 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Didn't someone suggest injecting disinfectant to cure Covid?   

I wonder what's better Dettol or TCP?