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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #120 on: 27 February 2022, 13:13:49 »
We get enough privileges apparently  ::)
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #121 on: 27 February 2022, 13:17:37 »
NATO needs to act sooner rather than later, take him on, as that’s what’s going to happen anyway soon imo.
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #122 on: 27 February 2022, 13:19:31 »
Lincolnshire police love to show how woke they are. :-\

I thought we were trying to use less electricity to save the world. Apparently not. :-X

https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/lincoln-news/lincolnshires-top-cop-defends-lgbtq-6662172
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #123 on: 27 February 2022, 13:33:07 »
Russia nuclear deterrent on high alert due to NATO threats.
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #124 on: 27 February 2022, 13:37:04 »
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #125 on: 27 February 2022, 13:40:52 »
Is he crazy enough to push the big red button?
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #126 on: 27 February 2022, 13:49:00 »
Quote from: Doctor Gollum on 27 February 2022, 13:37:04
https://simpleflying.com/russian-airlines-are-banned-from-the-baltic-region/

I think this old news as VDL announced that Russians are banned from EU airspace last night?  :-\

They have to go a long way round now to head west.  :y
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #127 on: 27 February 2022, 14:18:17 »
Possibly, but I thought it interesting that the Baltic states were ahead of them. Especially given where Kallingrad is  ;)

Turkey is their last Euro route.

Incidentally, if they turn to China for everything, then that might mean less Chinesey shit flooding the markets here, which is no bad thing if it makes manufacturing more cost effective in the West.
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #128 on: 27 February 2022, 14:31:15 »
Quote from: Doctor Gollum on 27 February 2022, 14:18:17
Possibly, but I thought it interesting that the Baltic states were ahead of them. Especially given where Kallingrad is  ;)

Turkey is their last Euro route.

Incidentally, if they turn to China for everything, then that might mean less Chinesey shit flooding the markets here, which is no bad thing if it makes manufacturing more cost effective in the West.

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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #129 on: 27 February 2022, 15:39:37 »
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 27 February 2022, 13:49:00
Quote from: Doctor Gollum on 27 February 2022, 13:37:04
https://simpleflying.com/russian-airlines-are-banned-from-the-baltic-region/

I think this old news as VDL announced that Russians are banned from EU airspace last night?  :-\

They have to go a long way round now to head west.  :y

The EU don't control sovereign airspace. Each country is free to decide who it will let in. At the moment it seems France, Spain, Canada and the USA haven't banned Russian registered aircraft.
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #130 on: 27 February 2022, 16:07:53 »
Quote from: LC0112G on 27 February 2022, 15:39:37
Quote from: Sir Tigger QC on 27 February 2022, 13:49:00
Quote from: Doctor Gollum on 27 February 2022, 13:37:04
https://simpleflying.com/russian-airlines-are-banned-from-the-baltic-region/

I think this old news as VDL announced that Russians are banned from EU airspace last night?  :-\

They have to go a long way round now to head west.  :y

The EU don't control sovereign airspace. Each country is free to decide who it will let in. At the moment it seems France, Spain, Canada and the USA haven't banned Russian registered aircraft.
France is moot if they have to route over northern Africa/Atlantic to get there... How long until Spain sign up?

Besides who controls/operates European ATC?
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #131 on: 27 February 2022, 16:51:35 »
Quote from: Doctor Gollum on 27 February 2022, 16:07:53
Besides who controls/operates European ATC?

Eurocontrol for most of mainland Europe. But Eurocontrol only administer ATC for flights with valid flight plans. Each sovereign nation can reject a flight plan which crosses its Flight Information Region (FIR). If a flight enters an FIR without an accepted flight plan in the system, QRA is typically sent up to intercept and escort. If the flight then enters sovereign airspace, QRA will order the aircraft to land at a designated airport (usually Stansted in the UK). If the flight doesn't follow the instructions of QRA then it's unlikely to end well.

Sovereign airspace only extends to 12 miles from the coast of a country, whereas a FIR can extend out several hundred miles. A flight from Kalinigrad to Moscow can therefore file a flight plan and hug the coast of the Baltics (12 miles out) and fly down the gap to St Petersburg and then to Moscow. However the various FIR's it crosses could refuse to supply ATC services. There are also special rules for gaps like the Gibraltar straights.
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #132 on: 27 February 2022, 17:24:56 »
Putin has now placed his nuclear forces on "Special Alert" due to NATO's "aggression" towards Russia! :P :P ::) ::) >:(
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #133 on: 27 February 2022, 17:29:10 »
Quote from: Lizzie Zoom on 27 February 2022, 17:24:56
Putin has now placed his nuclear forces on "Special Alert" due to NATO's "aggression" towards Russia! :P :P ::) ::) >:(

Is this the grown up version of ' toys thrown out of the pram'? ::)
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Re: Well, come on, let's do Ukraine
« Reply #134 on: 27 February 2022, 17:34:38 »
Cmon Liz  I posted that nine posts ago :o
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