What has P*ssed you off today?

[TheBoy]

I mean I ain't what you'd call Tunnie-esque skinny, but this is ridiculous

On my most recent flight I was quite impressed with the Airbus A350-1000 more so than the Boeing Dreamliner.

I thought the 350 was a far smoother and quiet aircraft, although the dreamliner maybe had slightly bigger windows.

Last short-haul flights were the A321's though, when your might height the legroom is appalling. The width is never a problem 

Had 1st row on an internal US flight though on a 737, that had decent leg room. But that was First Class. I was also amused how the pilot referred to the aircraft, not as an aircraft, but "The Jet" in a very strong American accent.

"We are just getting THE JET ready and speed down to Boston" 

Space per passenger is nothing to do with the aircraft type, within reason.

Short haul will always be scum class, long haul they have to provide a little more room, probably particularly since DVT became more known about.

[TheBoy]

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Also, never noticed on any other airline, but never really looked, there was no row 13 yesterday.

The power of the number 13 amazes me, I wonder why that number is singled out as being unlucky.     No level 13 in buildings, hotels or ships, no room 13 and no row 13. If I was superstitious, it would have been strengthened by the fact that I had a reasonably bad motorbike accident a few years back, when my new motorbike was 13 days old.     The reality was that it had more to do with the speed I was travelling when someone pulled out in front of me than some strange phenomenon.     

A bike is for ragging. Like hire cars.

[Doctor Gollum]

I mean I ain't what you'd call Tunnie-esque skinny, but this is ridiculous

On my most recent flight I was quite impressed with the Airbus A350-1000 more so than the Boeing Dreamliner.

I thought the 350 was a far smoother and quiet aircraft, although the dreamliner maybe had slightly bigger windows.

Last short-haul flights were the A321's though, when your might height the legroom is appalling. The width is never a problem 

Had 1st row on an internal US flight though on a 737, that had decent leg room. But that was First Class. I was also amused how the pilot referred to the aircraft, not as an aircraft, but "The Jet" in a very strong American accent.

"We are just getting THE JET ready and speed down to Boston" 

Ah the Flying iPad.

Hateful POS. Technically I am qualified on it but haven't flown on it in over a year and no intention of doing so anytime soon. The Dreamliner has bigger windows and is wider inside which actually makes for a better space. The Flying iPad is smoke and mirrors... It looks roomy inside because the walls are vertical and the ceilings high up but appearances can be deceptive. Ours are so badly configured they are almost unusable. Not helped by the fact that noone seems capable of landing it without ploughing the runway.

I like the 787, it feels like a genuine successor to the 767 and with the new cabins it's a nice place to work. Much more so than the 350.

[Doctor Gollum]

I mean I ain't what you'd call Tunnie-esque skinny, but this is ridiculous

On my most recent flight I was quite impressed with the Airbus A350-1000 more so than the Boeing Dreamliner.

I thought the 350 was a far smoother and quiet aircraft, although the dreamliner maybe had slightly bigger windows.

Last short-haul flights were the A321's though, when your might height the legroom is appalling. The width is never a problem 

Had 1st row on an internal US flight though on a 737, that had decent leg room. But that was First Class. I was also amused how the pilot referred to the aircraft, not as an aircraft, but "The Jet" in a very strong American accent.

"We are just getting THE JET ready and speed down to Boston" 

Space per passenger is nothing to do with the aircraft type, within reason.

Short haul will always be scum class, long haul they have to provide a little more room, probably particularly since DVT became more known about.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I mean I ain't what you'd call Tunnie-esque skinny, but this is ridiculous

On my most recent flight I was quite impressed with the Airbus A350-1000 more so than the Boeing Dreamliner.

I thought the 350 was a far smoother and quiet aircraft, although the dreamliner maybe had slightly bigger windows.

Last short-haul flights were the A321's though, when your might height the legroom is appalling. The width is never a problem 

Had 1st row on an internal US flight though on a 737, that had decent leg room. But that was First Class. I was also amused how the pilot referred to the aircraft, not as an aircraft, but "The Jet" in a very strong American accent.

"We are just getting THE JET ready and speed down to Boston" 

I flew to Bangkok last year with Qatar Airways.  The London - Doha leg was a Boeing 787 and the Doha - Bangkok leg an Airbus A380.

When taking off, the Boeing was like a bag of nails compared with the Airbus!   

I guess just like driving cars, some brands of aeroplane are nicer to fly for the pilots than others. 

[Doctor Gollum]

I have yet to fly on the A3Maybe. The revamp of ours is promising much, but it has the reputation of being a Wonker Tanker

The 787 engines aren't the gentlest during start up, but they get the job done. Can't really compare the 787 and the A380 as they're a generation apart. Being bigger the A380 may feel better built because of its construction, where as the 787 is a composite tube... Essentially made of three parts. The various parts that make up the interiors do move and squeak and rattle, and the age of the aircraft doesn't seem to matter.

I am glad we don't currently have 737s, Boeing made a massive mistake not developing a new generation 757, but at the same time the current generation Airbus offerings are not particularly durable.

[LC0112G]

As a passenger...

The A380 is head and shoulders better than anything else. I've now flown Singapore, BA, Ethiad and Qantas. The current BA Biz offering is poor though - I know BA are supposed to be re-fitting them, but the refit design is already several years old, so by the time it's done they'll be out of date again. The A380 is quiet and smooth, and generally a very impressive experience. If you're flying long haul and Ethiad, Emirates, Singapore or Qatar are an option, go for the A380. 

Only flown the A350 once, and that was on BA, and was meh. Prefer the older A330's.

Flown three times on AA with their B787's. More comfortable than BA's A350's, but I dislike with a passion the crew controlled dimming windows. Actively avoid them now.

I still really like the B777. Have flown BA, AA, SQ, and regularly chose the AA B-777 for trans Atlantic. Did get upgraded once on AA from PE to Biz back from LAX on a 777, and that was the most comfortable flight I've had.

Short haul I'd choose A320 over B737. No-one is using B757 any more, which is a shame. The old B727's were good too. A321 is too big for short haul, so I avoid them.

The Embraer's E175/195 are used a lot in the USA, and the problem with them is very small overhead bins. If you're not one of the first 40 onboard it's very likely you;ll be forced to gate check your hand baggage.

[Sir Tigger KC]

As a passenger...

The A380 is head and shoulders better than anything else. I've now flown Singapore, BA, Ethiad and Qantas. The current BA Biz offering is poor though - I know BA are supposed to be re-fitting them, but the refit design is already several years old, so by the time it's done they'll be out of date again. The A380 is quiet and smooth, and generally a very impressive experience. If you're flying long haul and Ethiad, Emirates, Singapore or Qatar are an option, go for the A380. 

Agreed and the Emirates is the best I've flown in so far. 

Emirates used to be very competitive price wise and their offering was better than the others IMO, but they've recently jacked their prices and now can be two or three hundred quid more for a flight to the Far East. 

[Doctor Gollum]

As a passenger...

The A380 is head and shoulders better than anything else. I've now flown Singapore, BA, Ethiad and Qantas. The current BA Biz offering is poor though - I know BA are supposed to be re-fitting them, but the refit design is already several years old, so by the time it's done they'll be out of date again. The A380 is quiet and smooth, and generally a very impressive experience. If you're flying long haul and Ethiad, Emirates, Singapore or Qatar are an option, go for the A380. 

Agreed and the Emirates is the best I've flown in so far. 

Emirates used to be very competitive price wise and their offering was better than the others IMO, but they've recently jacked their prices and now can be two or three hundred quid more for a flight to the Far East. 

That's because they're basically the only way to get in/out of Dubai from the UK.

[Doctor Gollum]

As a passenger...

The A380 is head and shoulders better than anything else. I've now flown Singapore, BA, Ethiad and Qantas. The current BA Biz offering is poor though - I know BA are supposed to be re-fitting them, but the refit design is already several years old, so by the time it's done they'll be out of date again. The A380 is quiet and smooth, and generally a very impressive experience. If you're flying long haul and Ethiad, Emirates, Singapore or Qatar are an option, go for the A380. 

Only flown the A350 once, and that was on BA, and was meh. Prefer the older A330's.

Flown three times on AA with their B787's. More comfortable than BA's A350's, but I dislike with a passion the crew controlled dimming windows. Actively avoid them now.

I still really like the B777. Have flown BA, AA, SQ, and regularly chose the AA B-777 for trans Atlantic. Did get upgraded once on AA from PE to Biz back from LAX on a 777, and that was the most comfortable flight I've had.

Short haul I'd choose A320 over B737. No-one is using B757 any more, which is a shame. The old B727's were good too. A321 is too big for short haul, so I avoid them.

The Embraer's E175/195 are used a lot in the USA, and the problem with them is very small overhead bins. If you're not one of the first 40 onboard it's very likely you;ll be forced to gate check your hand baggage.

I know the 757 is pretty much extinct... The 321 is barely catching up now in terms of performance and range.

The A330 harks from when Airbus built a half decent aircraft, but it's an old design with old materials. The only thing  that makes the A380 work is that Boeing stopped producing the 747-800. But the committed airlines are having to invest alot of money into keeping their fleets flying, those that don't are dumping them as soon as their new aircraft are delivered.

[LC0112G]

The only thing  that makes the A380 work is that Boeing stopped producing the 747-800. But the committed airlines are having to invest alot of money into keeping their fleets flying, those that don't are dumping them as soon as their new aircraft are delivered.

As a PAX, the A380 is the best offering at the moment - assuming the airline knows how to fit them out  (which the Middle & Far East Airlines do, but the One World lot don't). They aren't popular with the airlines because they are relatively expensive to run, and basically have to be 'full' to pay their way. It's a bit like Concorde was - popular with passengers, but struggles to pay it's way, so not popular with airlines.

The A321 is the same - a stretched A320 which can shift 25% more PAX for basically the same cost as the smaller jet. So it's popular with the airlines, but less so with the passengers because of the increased hassle of 25% more idiots milling about.

I'm not convinced the A380 is dead yet. Covid did the A380 no good at all, but when travel rebounded much quicker than expected afterwards there was a seat shortage, and most airlines pulled their A380's out of storage PDQ. There are also many airports that are slot saturated (Heathrow for one) so the only way to increase passenger numbers is to use larger aircraft (hence the A321). The BA A380's are 469 seats (reducing to 421 if/when the refit happens), whereas the BA B777 tops out at 336 in the sardene config, or 254 in the 4 class config which is more comparible with the A380. If you can't get the slots to operate two B777's in place of one A380, then you're stuck.

Boeing would not have stopped making the B747 if there was any airline demand for it. And next time you're in Seattle I suggest you go to Paine Field to look at the dozens of 777X's stored there   

[Doctor Gollum]

The 321 isn't a new aircraft, Lufthansa and others were using them in the mid 90s and its only since the 757 went out of production that they've found real sales.

The Emirates high density A380 is the only reason they still keep them around, they never ran 747s commercially (they had a few for the royal family ). They also have an actual fleet of them and they're busy buying up both airworthy aircraft form airlines that are dumping them as well as scrappers for parts. I think after Emirates we're the second largest operator and we barely have a dozen of them.

Our 380 retrofit is formally going ahead now that they've got the structural issues addressed, but the time frame is somewhat vague. Easter is the realistic entry to service. It's G-XLEC that's first up. Think it's 108 in Club and the other 3 cabins are all on the lower deck... 12 First, 76 WTP,  AND 196 WT.

As for 777X that's basically ready for release, and some of those parked at Paine are ours. Our oldest 772s are looking to be replaced by 781s as the first batch of 78Zs are delivered. First one is imminent if it's not already flying.

We've cut alot of 380 services in anticipation of maintenance schedules, including the late LAX.

[LC0112G]

The 321 isn't a new aircraft, Lufthansa and others were using them in the mid 90s and its only since the 757 went out of production that they've found real sales.

IMV tht's not the reason. As you say, the first A321 was delivered in 1994, but sales of it were always slow compared to A320 - a ratio of 1:4 is typically quoted. It's only in the past 10 years that A321 sales have picked up. B757 went out of production in 2004, so it's difficult to see how 757 had any significant affect on A321 sales after that.

The Emirates high density A380 is the only reason they still keep them around, they never ran 747s commercially (they had a few for the royal family ). They also have an actual fleet of them and they're busy buying up both airworthy aircraft form airlines that are dumping them as well as scrappers for parts. I think after Emirates we're the second largest operator and we barely have a dozen of them.

Yes Emirates have over 100 of em. Nobody else has more than a dozen (BA & SQ).

Our 380 retrofit is formally going ahead now that they've got the structural issues addressed, but the time frame is somewhat vague. Easter is the realistic entry to service. It's G-XLEC that's first up. Think it's 108 in Club and the other 3 cabins are all on the lower deck... 12 First, 76 WTP,  AND 196 WT.

The reason I was told for the delay was there is/was no certification for the 'restraint' belts for unruly PAX in Biz seats. The CAA wern't happy with you dragging unruly pax downstairs so they could be restrained in economy.

G-XLEC is in Manilla where D checks and refits are carried out, but it's been there 2 months already, so it's anyones guess if it'll come back once D checks are complete, or if they'll wait for the refit too. My suspicion is they'll send it back as is, and start the refits on the next one due it's D check. D checks typically take 3-6 weeks.

As for 777X that's basically ready for release, and some of those parked at Paine are ours. Our oldest 772s are looking to be replaced by 781s as the first batch of 78Zs are delivered. First one is imminent if it's not already flying.

777X isn't anywhere near ready. The FAA may have signed off on the latest defects modificatiopns, but the launch customers (Emirates & Lufty) have already rejected taking most of the airframes already built. Looks like over 20 will be headed for the scrapyard before a single one has entered airline service.

I've explained my dislike of B787, so BA replacing 772's with them just means I'll fly with someone else. If enough of 'us' do likewise, BA execs might get the message (not holding my breath).

We've cut alot of 380 services in anticipation of maintenance schedules, including the late LAX.

Yeah - but they'll be back after the refit. No real option if they want the capacity on major hub routes like LAX.

[TheBoy]

Chiltern again

Another compo claim being submitted

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Unleashed the attack dog (aka swmbo) on BT and she got them to agree to nearly £200 compo for all the recent episodes of loss of interweb and landline.
Im still pissed off at being under contract with them until next August though. 

Also pissed off at now being 67 years old and feeling even older a lot of the time. 

Pissed of with Healeys Budget too. There should have been a string quartet in the background playing Nearer my God to thee.