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Re: PHEV
« Reply #45 on: 25 March 2025, 09:48:33 »

Cheers Mark this is the sort of information that helps define a purchase.

So now the the question to consider is.

PHEV v Diesel
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« Reply #46 on: 25 March 2025, 10:46:58 »

I wouldn't trust an omega to be reliable enough for a business to rely on it, low mileage or not.


Why not? Many of them were originally bought by companies for that exact usage. Maybe Amba will comment on this, as he used one until about a year ago.



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« Reply #47 on: 25 March 2025, 10:53:07 »

I wouldn't trust an omega to be reliable enough for a business to rely on it, low mileage or not.


Why not? Many of them were originally bought by companies for that exact usage. Maybe Amba will comment on this, as he used one until about a year ago.
Because the newest ones are over 20 years old. Thirsty, complicated and unreliable. You can say different, but I certainly wouldn't trust one to be used on lengthy journeys every day.
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« Reply #48 on: 25 March 2025, 10:56:02 »

Oh......and most of them are rusty too  ;D
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« Reply #49 on: 25 March 2025, 10:58:55 »

It wont get nearly that, budget around a 50mpg and you might be closer to it.

This is in line with what other road tests have said. If I were making the PHEV vs Diesel choice, I'd consider:
Will you be driving frequently into/near big cities? ULEZ is costly and a PHEV is likely to stay exempt longer than a diesel
What will your average journey length look like - longer will favour diesel, shorter phev.
Can you charge at home always? Charging a PHEV/EV on the motorway makes it more costly than diesel.
How long will you keep the car? Batteries are rightly considered an unknown on the resale market, so that could hurt residuals, wiping out any fuel savings.
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« Reply #50 on: 25 March 2025, 11:04:15 »

Cheers Mark this is the sort of information that helps define a purchase.

So now the the question to consider is.

PHEV v Diesel
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In fairness, we had already explained how the PHEV mpg calculations were made on page 1.  :y


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« Reply #51 on: 25 March 2025, 11:22:44 »

It wont get nearly that, budget around a 50mpg and you might be closer to it.

This is in line with what other road tests have said. If I were making the PHEV vs Diesel choice, I'd consider:
Will you be driving frequently into/near big cities? ULEZ is costly and a PHEV is likely to stay exempt longer than a diesel
What will your average journey length look like - longer will favour diesel, shorter phev.
Can you charge at home always? Charging a PHEV/EV on the motorway makes it more costly than diesel.
How long will you keep the car? Batteries are rightly considered an unknown on the resale market, so that could hurt residuals, wiping out any fuel savings.


On occasions it could be anywhere in the country.

Main journey will be from Sheffield (M1) to Kings Cross some business in London  then could be any where, Birmingham, Kent, Wales etc  and return to Sheffield.
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« Reply #52 on: 25 March 2025, 13:32:40 »

I wouldn't trust an omega to be reliable enough for a business to rely on it, low mileage or not.


Why not? Many of them were originally bought by companies for that exact usage. Maybe Amba will comment on this, as he used one until about a year ago.
Because the newest ones are over 20 years old. Thirsty, complicated and unreliable. You can say different, but I certainly wouldn't trust one to be used on lengthy journeys every day.


Your diesel Astra is far more complicated than any Omega. My - fading - experience of breakdowns is that modern cars are no more or less reliable than older ones, but that the problems tend to be much bigger with commensurate increased costs/difficulty/time to fix them. Some culprits are wet timing belts, inadequate timing chains, high pressure fuel pumps, plastic cooling pipes, DI fuel injectors, poorly sited ECUs full of water, sealed for life drive train components, etc etc.


The key to any car being reliable is frequent use, and dealing with issues immediately. That means treating OE maintenance schedules and times as maximums and actually fixing problems instead of symptoms.


A lot of the reported unreliability of cars kept as toys - sports cars, classics, ultra-low mileage, fancy convertibles etc - is caused by their lack of use. They frequently don't start, run badly, leak or have bizarre intermittent faults. And because they're not used much, those faults are never sorted even though they could be at no cost in a minimal amount of time.


Some of those faults are fundamental but easily fixed: tyres well into their second decade; fluid leaks; brake fluid the colour and consistency of oxtail soup; worn out wiring combined with ancient, shoddy repairs; fuel systems contaminated with rust, water and other nasties; utterly oppsed suspensions; damp interiors. Some of them are because the owner does all his own work, but is both incompetent and only ever patches things up instead of replacing all the worn parts in one go - this is very common with brakes ???




There is no reason why a forty year-old any car cannot be relied on to drive across the country on a whim. That has been a requirement for any that I've owned or had anything to do with.



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« Reply #53 on: 25 March 2025, 15:28:29 »

Skrunty's is a very low mileage, hardly used car.
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« Reply #54 on: 25 March 2025, 16:05:54 »

In 175k my 3.2 needed to be recovered twice, one for a clutch and once for a fuel pump.

That said, parts availability would be the biggest concern for the Omega... In that respect there are better 20 year old options.

As for image, would you rather someone in a presentable older car  knowing they're not screwing you to keep brand new metal paid for or someone in a shiny car worrying about the next payment. :-\
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« Reply #55 on: 25 March 2025, 18:03:59 »

In 175k my 3.2 needed to be recovered twice, one for a clutch and once for a fuel pump.

That said, parts availability would be the biggest concern for the Omega... In that respect there are better 20 year old options.

As for image, would you rather someone in a presentable older car  knowing they're not screwing you to keep brand new metal paid for or someone in a shiny car worrying about the next payment. :-\
See reply #41  ;D
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« Reply #56 on: 25 March 2025, 19:15:57 »

In 175k my 3.2 needed to be recovered twice, one for a clutch and once for a fuel pump.

That said, parts availability would be the biggest concern for the Omega... In that respect there are better 20 year old options.

As for image, would you rather someone in a presentable older car  knowing they're not screwing you to keep brand new metal paid for or someone in a shiny car worrying about the next payment. :-\

I'll refer you to reply #42.

Some people would think that someone turning up in a 20 year car, obviously isn't doing a very good job of what they do if they couldn't afford a newer car.  ::)

That said, when my Mum died a few years ago and I got the Funeral Director round , he arrived in a brand new top of the range Jag XJ and my first thought was Shit this is going to be expensive!  ;D   

Although....  If he'd rocked up in a 20 year old Ford Focus, I might not have had the same confidence that he would handle my Mum's final journey to my satisfaction.  ;)
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« Reply #57 on: 25 March 2025, 22:43:38 »

In 175k my 3.2 needed to be recovered twice, one for a clutch and once for a fuel pump.

That said, parts availability would be the biggest concern for the Omega... In that respect there are better 20 year old options.

As for image, would you rather someone in a presentable older car  knowing they're not screwing you to keep brand new metal paid for or someone in a shiny car worrying about the next payment. :-\
See reply #41  ;D
Gatwick internet is getting the blame for that.
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« Reply #58 on: 26 March 2025, 06:39:36 »

Skrunty's is a very low mileage, hardly used car.
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« Reply #59 on: 26 March 2025, 10:58:31 »

In 175k my 3.2 needed to be recovered twice, one for a clutch and once for a fuel pump.

That said, parts availability would be the biggest concern for the Omega... In that respect there are better 20 year old options.

As for image, would you rather someone in a presentable older car  knowing they're not screwing you to keep brand new metal paid for or someone in a shiny car worrying about the next payment. :-\

I'll refer you to reply #42.

Some people would think that someone turning up in a 20 year car, obviously isn't doing a very good job of what they do if they couldn't afford a newer car.  ::)

That said, when my Mum died a few years ago and I got the Funeral Director round , he arrived in a brand new top of the range Jag XJ and my first thought was Shit this is going to be expensive!  ;D   

Although....  If he'd rocked up in a 20 year old Ford Focus, I might not have had the same confidence that he would handle my Mum's final journey to my satisfaction.  ;)
Perhaps, but if he had turned up in a well presented 20 year old Jag or Merc...
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