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Re: Middle East
« Reply #60 on: Yesterday at 21:12:10 »

In part. If the best that our wet fag, I mean rag, of an excuse for a leader can muster is two facelifted Lynx and 4 Typhoons, then we may as well give up. ;(

We shouldn't be involved at all.
Iran is not our concern, same goes for Ukraine. "That wet rag" of which you speak, is a globalist and still thinks–wrongly—that the UK has place on the world stage. We don't and we should just accept that. No way should our armed forces be used to fight foreign wars that the general public do not support.

Former US Ambassador Chas Freeman says diplomacy, not war, is the way to conduct foreign policy. :y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS_9Jp0Htg4
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« Reply #61 on: Yesterday at 21:57:17 »

In part. If the best that our wet fag, I mean rag, of an excuse for a leader can muster is two facelifted Lynx and 4 Typhoons, then we may as well give up. ;(

We shouldn't be involved at all.
Iran is not our concern, same goes for Ukraine. "That wet rag" of which you speak, is a globalist and still thinks–wrongly—that the UK has place on the world stage. We don't and we should just accept that. No way should our armed forces be used to fight foreign wars that the general public do not support.

Former US Ambassador Chas Freeman says diplomacy, not war, is the way to conduct foreign policy. :y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS_9Jp0Htg4
What is it you actually do? Trawl the internet until you find some nobody to agree with you? Grow up, and face up to the real world, not the one you wish it was.
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Re: Middle East
« Reply #62 on: Yesterday at 22:14:20 »

It's emerging that one of the reasons that HMS Dragon's departure to Cyprus is delayed is because the Govt reduced the dockworkers hours to save money.

They've gone from 24/7 operations to 9 to 5/Mon to Friday.   ::)  So that's possibly one of the reasons why the rest of the fleet is tied up alongside as well....  :-\

You'd think that in this day and age they could work from home.  :)
If you were a drone operator you probably could. ;)
Very good, Ron  :)
I do sometimes manage periods of lucidity Steve.  :D
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« Reply #63 on: Yesterday at 22:49:03 »

In part. If the best that our wet fag, I mean rag, of an excuse for a leader can muster is two facelifted Lynx and 4 Typhoons, then we may as well give up. ;(

We shouldn't be involved at all.
Iran is not our concern, same goes for Ukraine. "That wet rag" of which you speak, is a globalist and still thinks–wrongly—that the UK has place on the world stage. We don't and we should just accept that. No way should our armed forces be used to fight foreign wars that the general public do not support.

Former US Ambassador Chas Freeman says diplomacy, not war, is the way to conduct foreign policy. :y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS_9Jp0Htg4
What is it you actually do? Trawl the internet until you find some nobody to agree with you? Grow up, and face up to the real world, not the one you wish it was.

I listen to and watch real people who have knowledge and experience of the real world, unlike you.
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« Reply #64 on: Today at 07:07:22 »

In part. If the best that our wet fag, I mean rag, of an excuse for a leader can muster is two facelifted Lynx and 4 Typhoons, then we may as well give up. ;(

We shouldn't be involved at all.
Iran is not our concern, same goes for Ukraine. "That wet rag" of which you speak, is a globalist and still thinks–wrongly—that the UK has place on the world stage. We don't and we should just accept that. No way should our armed forces be used to fight foreign wars that the general public do not support.

Former US Ambassador Chas Freeman says diplomacy, not war, is the way to conduct foreign policy. :y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS_9Jp0Htg4
What is it you actually do? Trawl the internet until you find some nobody to agree with you? Grow up, and face up to the real world, not the one you wish it was.

I listen to and watch real people who have knowledge and experience of the real world, unlike you.
You mean like the Vladimir Putin you worship?
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« Reply #65 on: Today at 11:53:37 »

In part. If the best that our wet fag, I mean rag, of an excuse for a leader can muster is two facelifted Lynx and 4 Typhoons, then we may as well give up. ;(

We shouldn't be involved at all.
Iran is not our concern, same goes for Ukraine. "That wet rag" of which you speak, is a globalist and still thinks–wrongly—that the UK has place on the world stage. We don't and we should just accept that. No way should our armed forces be used to fight foreign wars that the general public do not support.

Former US Ambassador Chas Freeman says diplomacy, not war, is the way to conduct foreign policy. :y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS_9Jp0Htg4

We ARE part of the democratic World that TOGETHER must stand up to the regimes of Iran and Russia to ensure their evil, that affects their own people, let alone us, does not spread and bring about a situation that we certainly do not want.  We MUST stand united together to rid the human race of the dictators.  But I suppose you wont agree with that, and probably believe that we should do what our leaders did in 1938, and let an aggressor get away with invading another country, just like Putin has, to achieve their aspirational empire and eliminate those that get in the way!   ::) ::) >:( >:(

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« Reply #66 on: Today at 12:13:54 »

In part. If the best that our wet fag, I mean rag, of an excuse for a leader can muster is two facelifted Lynx and 4 Typhoons, then we may as well give up. ;(

We shouldn't be involved at all.
Iran is not our concern, same goes for Ukraine. "That wet rag" of which you speak, is a globalist and still thinks–wrongly—that the UK has place on the world stage. We don't and we should just accept that. No way should our armed forces be used to fight foreign wars that the general public do not support.

Former US Ambassador Chas Freeman says diplomacy, not war, is the way to conduct foreign policy. :y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS_9Jp0Htg4

We ARE part of the democratic World that TOGETHER must stand up to the regimes of Iran and Russia to ensure their evil, that affects their own people, let alone us, does not spread and bring about a situation that we certainly do not want.  We MUST stand united together to rid the human race of the dictators.  But I suppose you wont agree with that, and probably believe that we should do what our leaders did in 1938, and let an aggressor get away with invading another country, just like Putin has, to achieve their aspirational empire and eliminate those that get in the way!   ::) ::) >:( >:(

In some ways I feel that 2026 could be the new 1938....just waiting for the world to go tits up, like it did in 1939.

Starmer is a nancy boy wet wipe of a PM, just as Chamberlain was in 1938. ::)

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« Reply #67 on: Today at 12:38:26 »

In part. If the best that our wet fag, I mean rag, of an excuse for a leader can muster is two facelifted Lynx and 4 Typhoons, then we may as well give up. ;(

We shouldn't be involved at all.
Iran is not our concern, same goes for Ukraine. "That wet rag" of which you speak, is a globalist and still thinks–wrongly—that the UK has place on the world stage. We don't and we should just accept that. No way should our armed forces be used to fight foreign wars that the general public do not support.

Former US Ambassador Chas Freeman says diplomacy, not war, is the way to conduct foreign policy. :y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS_9Jp0Htg4

We ARE part of the democratic World that TOGETHER must stand up to the regimes of Iran and Russia to ensure their evil, that affects their own people, let alone us, does not spread and bring about a situation that we certainly do not want.  We MUST stand united together to rid the human race of the dictators.  But I suppose you wont agree with that, and probably believe that we should do what our leaders did in 1938, and let an aggressor get away with invading another country, just like Putin has, to achieve their aspirational empire and eliminate those that get in the way!   ::) ::) >:( >:(

In some ways I feel that 2026 could be the new 1938....just waiting for the world to go tits up, like it did in 1939.

Starmer is a nancy boy wet wipe of a PM, just as Chamberlain was in 1938. ::)
And Farage is waiting in the wings, just as Churchill was.
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« Reply #68 on: Today at 13:29:44 »

In part. If the best that our wet fag, I mean rag, of an excuse for a leader can muster is two facelifted Lynx and 4 Typhoons, then we may as well give up. ;(

We shouldn't be involved at all.
Iran is not our concern, same goes for Ukraine. "That wet rag" of which you speak, is a globalist and still thinks–wrongly—that the UK has place on the world stage. We don't and we should just accept that. No way should our armed forces be used to fight foreign wars that the general public do not support.

Former US Ambassador Chas Freeman says diplomacy, not war, is the way to conduct foreign policy. :y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS_9Jp0Htg4

We ARE part of the democratic World that TOGETHER must stand up to the regimes of Iran and Russia to ensure their evil, that affects their own people, let alone us, does not spread and bring about a situation that we certainly do not want.  We MUST stand united together to rid the human race of the dictators.  But I suppose you wont agree with that, and probably believe that we should do what our leaders did in 1938, and let an aggressor get away with invading another country, just like Putin has, to achieve their aspirational empire and eliminate those that get in the way!   ::) ::) >:( >:(

In some ways I feel that 2026 could be the new 1938....just waiting for the world to go tits up, like it did in 1939.

Starmer is a nancy boy wet wipe of a PM, just as Chamberlain was in 1938. ::)

That may be very true, but in fairness I must point out that Chamberlain HAD to not commit the British armed forces to a confrontation with the Nazis as, after WWI, those forces had been dramatically scaled back.  Britain was simply not ready for war, and had to buy time, which Chamberlin successfully did.  He knew his "Peace in our time" was not real, and a massive uplift in military investment had to urgently take place.  When he returned to Downing Street it is recorded he clearly stated this, knowing that the Munich Agreement was not worth the paper it was written on.  From at least 1937 a start had been made on rearmament due to what Hitler was doing, and then from 1938 the great rearmament of the RAF, with the increased production of the Spitfire and the training of new pilots started in earnest, as one example, of what had to be done.  He DID know that a big war was unavoidable, but could not be faced in 1938 without the high risk of defeat.  Churchill of course played on this, and took the political lead, as he had been warning of the great dangers of Nazi Germany since 1933, when Chamberlain was seen as a weak Prime Minister who was not seeing the dangers.  Actually he did.

Now Sir Keir has faced a similar issue, with successive previous government, including the Conservatives, severely cutting the Defence Budget and placing the UK in a "unready for war" state.  He now must somehow "make time" with the diminished military and he has already started the process to rebuild, after the previous Conservative Government did make a good decision; to build two full aircraft carriers.  They just need a full back up of supporting destroyers , and cruisers, let alone many more F35's. The trouble is, in the 21st century, developing and rebuilding the military takes significant time, which the issue of HMS Dragon highlights, in its own way, with time needed to build up stocks of munitions, and having no real back up to this specialist vessel.  The very issue that many European countries are now facing.  The Ukraine War has also dramatically shown, to all militaries, that the nature of warfare has changed and has led to a major review of how to conduct a modern fight for survival.

We shall now watch with interest what decisions are now made, and what actions transpire.
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Re: Middle East
« Reply #69 on: Today at 14:04:54 »

It has just been announced that the aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales has been directed to make ready for sailing from Portsmouth in about five days.

So here we go, Sir Keir is warming up! :D ;)

I hope that HMS Dragon will leave escorting the carrier, with perhaps other RN units, as is true practice in regards to capital ship sailings. Maybe French support warships will join them. ;)
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« Reply #70 on: Today at 14:28:28 »

It has just been announced that the aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales has been directed to make ready for sailing from Portsmouth in about five days.

So here we go, Sir Keir is warming up! :D ;)

I hope that HMS Dragon will leave escorting the carrier, with perhaps other RN units, as is true practice in regards to capital ship sailings. Maybe French support warships will join them. ;)

I imagine he rarely gets past 'luke warm'......be it the boardroom, or the bedroom. >:D
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« Reply #71 on: Today at 15:08:17 »

diplomacy, not war, is the way to conduct foreign policy
To a point.  There comes a time when diplomacy either fails, or gets nowhere.

If we were all leftie wets 85 years ago, we'd all be either Ayran or dead.
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« Reply #72 on: Today at 15:45:21 »

diplomacy, not war, is the way to conduct foreign policy
To a point.  There comes a time when diplomacy either fails, or gets nowhere.

If we were all leftie wets 85 years ago, we'd all be either Ayran or dead.

At least the trains on Chiltern oppsing Railways might have run on time!  ;D
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« Reply #73 on: Today at 15:53:12 »

diplomacy, not war, is the way to conduct foreign policy
To a point.  There comes a time when diplomacy either fails, or gets nowhere.

If we were all leftie wets 85 years ago, we'd all be either Ayran or dead.

"War is the continuation of politics by other means"    or
"War is diplomacy by other means" is a simplified version of works by Prussian military theorist Carl von Clausewitz (1780-1831).

Although I personally prefer Thomas Hobbes(1588-1679) view, as expressed in his work Leviathan (1651) that without a strong government to maintain order, mans natural desire is to always gravitate towards "Warre"; "Warre as a state of nature" - a perpetual, inherent condition of uncertainty and distrust existing whenever there is no common power to keep men in awe. "Warre of every man against every man".

So, in short, God help us all!! ::) ::)

 
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« Reply #74 on: Today at 16:15:38 »

The most embarrassing thing I've ever seen on TV has got to be Lammy & Badenoch talking about the present situation in the Middle East , educated idiots at their best God help us all if we ever have to depend on either of them.
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