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[LaserLance]

When there is a need for the extra speed - like doing an overtake on a single carriageway road - restricting is lethal

Well in a truck you dont have that problem as your only supposed to do 40 mph on a single track road so you have 15 mph to play with but theres no way id overtake unless its downright safe ,ie I could see at least 500 yds or more

[Lizzie_Zoom]

When there is a need for the extra speed - like doing an overtake on a single carriageway road - restricting is lethal

If you are overtaking driving a loaded minibus then you should be doing it to overtake a vehicle perhaps doing no more than 35 anyway, which is no problem in a 60 mph speed restricted bus.

[webby23]

Imagine how annoying it is. Lorry in lane 1 doing 55mph. You start passing at 60mph in lane 2, and lorry speeds up and matches your speed.

Welcome to the life of a trucker mate !!

Just for reference, most if not all trucks are flat out on their limiters at 55-58mph, and the only time they pass is due to hills and inclines.

No trucker speeds up just for the sake of it.

I have 10 yrs 7.5t experience and 4 yrs Class 2 experience in a 18t

 

[Martin_1962]

When there is a need for the extra speed - like doing an overtake on a single carriageway road - restricting is lethal

If you are overtaking driving a loaded minibus then you should be doing it to overtake a vehicle perhaps doing no more than 35 anyway, which is no problem in a 60 mph speed restricted bus.

I was thinking of something doing say 45 when a blast up to 65 makes it a LOT safer.

That said I did get hit by a rental minibus who pulled out to overtake while I was overtaking him and the car in front.

(he didn't signal)

School teacher too

wheel nut damage to my door, paint damage to the minibus - my car was worth pence so I filled the holes and left it at that. The rental company were not happy with the school!

[Lizzie_Zoom]

When there is a need for the extra speed - like doing an overtake on a single carriageway road - restricting is lethal

If you are overtaking driving a loaded minibus then you should be doing it to overtake a vehicle perhaps doing no more than 35 anyway, which is no problem in a 60 mph speed restricted bus.

I was thinking of something doing say 45 when a blast up to 65 makes it a LOT safer.

That said I did get hit by a rental minibus who pulled out to overtake while I was overtaking him and the car in front.

(he didn't signal)

School teacher too

wheel nut damage to my door, paint damage to the minibus - my car was worth pence so I filled the holes and left it at that. The rental company were not happy with the school!

But Martin 65 is exceeding the speed limit on a single carriageway by at least 5 mph!

With a loaded minibus of up to 17 other souls, that is a little illegal and irresponsible and is just not necessary (even for me!! )

[JamesV6CDX]

Plodding along at 50mph in the inside lane is hardly safe either, when at that speed, you can bet your bottom dollar you'll have a *restricted* HGV 2 inches from your arse, who also won't overtake because he's restricted...

Tunnie - next time you're on the motorway, sit at bang on 50 in lane 1. Keep an eye in that mirror, and just see how close those lorries get to you

I'd personally still rather have the power to get out of situations like that...

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Plodding along at 50mph in the inside lane is hardly safe either, when at that speed, you can bet your bottom dollar you'll have a *restricted* HGV 2 inches from your arse, who also won't overtake because he's restricted...

Tunnie - next time you're on the motorway, sit at bang on 50 in lane 1. Keep an eye in that mirror, and just see how close those lorries get to you

I'd personally still rather have the power to get out of situations like that...

But why James plod along at 50 mph when the limiter allows you to go up to 60, which is my cruising speed in the minibuses? :-? :-?

At that speed you are usually at least 5 mph faster than the lorries.

[JamesV6CDX]

Maybe said van driver any myself are in a minority with our views...

but on a practical level, I personally feel that drivers should be at a level that they're competent enough to assess the road conditions and adjust speed acordingly - without the vehicle having to be limited to compensate for this.

Thing is Tunnie, it's not just the minibus. Don't get me wrong, I'm no angel and we've all gone too fast at some point, but I've read threads here where members claim to have driven on public roads at 140mph..

At that speed, get a blowout, and you could easily roll it several times onto the opposite carriageway and cause just as much carnaige.. especially if you take out a van/coach load of people with you...

Given your views that restricting is good, and the possibility that a speeding (passenger car) driver could just as easily CAUSE an accident to a bus full of  people, do you think all road going cars should be limited to 70mph?    

[Mr Skrunts]

About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.

Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.

We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.

The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".

His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.

What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...

James, had you have checked the Mini Bus carefully you have have seen the limited to 60 mph sticker there fore setting off with plenty of time to get to your destination, rather than "trying to get there swiftly" in what was possibly an overladen mini bus.

As part time plod I leave you to work out what you would be saying to to a driver of an over laden Mini Bus trying to swiftly get to it's destination, that may have suffered a blow out and caused a motorway pile up.

Braking distance V Speed
Braking distance V extra weight
Braking distance + 1 extra Adult + 10 mph are just some considerations to take on board.

[JamesV6CDX]

About 18 of us today, in a 08 reg Ford Transit Minibus turbo diesel.

Trying to get to our destination a bit swiftly... and the bl00dy thing would only do just over 60mph, foot to the floor, in any gear, on the motorway.

We pulled from lane 1 to lane 2 to try and overtake a slowing lorry, but in the end when the lorry sped up we had to back off and pull back in behind it.

The driver, next to me (an experienced persuit driver) was tearing his heir out with it, calling it all the names under the sun, until we noticed the sticker: "Limited to 60mph".

His view was, that the limiter put us in a dangerous position, when we'd began an overtaking manouver, needed an extra burst of power to get by, and didn't have it available... I must say I'm inclined to agree with him.

What's the idea of limiting these things? I think it does more harm than good, and certainly inconvenienced a lot of people behind us...

James, had you have checked the Mini Bus carefully you have have seen the limited to 60 mph sticker there fore setting off with plenty of time to get to your destination, rather than "trying to get there swiftly" in what was possibly an overladen mini bus.

As part time plod I leave you to work out what you would be saying to to a driver of an over laden Mini Bus trying to swiftly get to it's destination, that may have suffered a blow out and caused a motorway pile up.

Braking distance V Speed
Braking distance V extra weight
Braking distance + 1 extra Adult + 10 mph are just some considerations to take on board.

I wasn't driving, or in control, so I didn't even look at the sticker (which incidently, wasn't in clear view!)  

In addition, getting somewhere swiftly doesn't necessarily mean braking the law, it just means making as much progress as the road conditions safely allow

[Vamps]

My old LWB series 3 Landrover only used to do about 65, if you could put up with the noise, many times driven from Hertford to Durham and back at the weekend at around 55. That is what the vehicle is capable of so you just drive within it,s limits.

Many Buses will not do much more than 60mph as well, and they manage on the motorway.

Regarding trucks restricted to 56mph, how come I see so many, over the years doing around 70mph and not down a steap hill.

[JamesV6CDX]

Why was the bus over laden? There was a seat, and a seat belt, for every person?  :-/

I don't pretent I know in depth traffic law, I've not even been trained on it yet - but the thread is about the practicalities of a limiter  

[JamesV6CDX]

Regarding trucks restricted to 56mph, how come I see so many, over the years doing around 70mph and not down a steap hill.

No idea, are they maybe from other countries, where they're not limited as standard?   :-/

[Vamps]

Why was the bus over laden? There was a seat, and a seat belt, for every person?  :-/

I don't pretent I know in depth traffic law, I've not even been trained on it yet - but the thread is about the practicalities of a limiter  

I asked the question as 18 seemes a lot for a Transit, were always 12 or 15 seat minibus or 17 seats crew bus, just wondered

[JamesV6CDX]

Why was the bus over laden? There was a seat, and a seat belt, for every person?  :-/

I don't pretent I know in depth traffic law, I've not even been trained on it yet - but the thread is about the practicalities of a limiter  

I asked the question as 18 seemes a lot for a Transit, were always 12 or 15 seat minibus or 17 seats crew bus, just wondered

Ah ok. I say about 18 as I'm not sure of the exact figure - some people followed in car too. It could have been 17