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Re: How low are military jets allowed too fly.
« Reply #30 on: 19 February 2009, 22:18:00 »

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More than likely a Tornado out of Coningsby or Cottesmore, if not a Harrier out of Wittering.


Wasn't a harrier...completely different front end.

Had a pointy beak like a tornado.

Sorry not a plane fan.. ;D

Could have been an F-18/Fa-18
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Re: How low are military jets allowed too fly.
« Reply #31 on: 19 February 2009, 22:18:42 »

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Outside of a MATZ (Military Air Trafic Zone) they are limited to a MSD (Minimum Safe Distance) of 250 ft.... ie .. a "bubble" around the aircraft that nothing is allowed to penetrate ... so if at 250 ft over a field and an electricity plyon 200 ft is ahead .. you climb to 450 feet to cross the pylon. Within a MATZ, Range or OLF (Operational Low Flying) training areas then different rules apply.

These are the Minimum heights , local rules, areas can instigate higher restrictions, eg .. around a riding school a local area restriction of 2000 ft may be applied.

It is extremely difficult to estimate the height/speed of an aircraft accurately, as looking at the sky you have nothing to compare it to, it is just a fast moving shape. Small aircraft ALWAYS appear to move faster than a large one, and as your brain doesn't actually "know" the size of fast jet ... you guess, and because its making a lot of noise it must be close .. therefore it must be low ... :)

HTH

I'll have to dig out my chart (which is several years old) but I think Huntingdon is either in or very near a MATZ :y :y
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Re: How low are military jets allowed too fly.
« Reply #32 on: 19 February 2009, 22:20:26 »

If there flying normal VFR, then its 500ft, maybe a bit lower if there on Pre War training but not much lower!!
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Re: How low are military jets allowed too fly.
« Reply #33 on: 19 February 2009, 22:29:19 »

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If there flying normal VFR, then its 500ft, maybe a bit lower if there on Pre War training but not much lower!!

All low level flying is VFR .. by definition .. as Lowlevel is below 2000 ft

Noddy's guide :

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/AboutDefence/WhatWeDo/AirSafetyandAviation/LowFlying/

and VFR below 3000 ft

Complex guide :

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/64/VFR_Guide_12_08.pdf
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Re: How low are military jets allowed too fly.
« Reply #34 on: 19 February 2009, 23:01:11 »

Maybe the pilot was trying to see if he could outdo this Eurofighter jockey:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSXRPH9PVjM[/media]

 :o :o :o
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Re: How low are military jets allowed too fly.
« Reply #35 on: 20 February 2009, 00:26:57 »

when we were in Scotland the tornado pilots came down so low we could see them giving us the bird  ;D ;D
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Re: How low are military jets allowed too fly.
« Reply #36 on: 20 February 2009, 03:22:02 »

have to visit my Mum in Cumbria once in a while, hate the place if i have to spend more than a couple of days there. Its beutifull but boring, nowt but sheep and hills.
 Anyway, we where walking, as you do up there. Just got 10 feet from the the top of this beginners peak, its about half the average hight the other peaks along the A66 to workington, just by Keswick where the dual carriage way snakes right then left by a lake, anyway, just about to clime on to the top, and i hear engines, jet engines, loud jet engines, so i jumped up to the top to see 2 Tornados belting up the Valley towards us, and they are below the other peaks," in" the valley, and flying exactly the same hight that we are standing at, looking straight at us. And im waving like a nutter as they home in closer, and i realise, i am standing directly in their sites, i can see the green heads up display and the dark visor behind it, they are converging on our position, if they pulled the trigger theyd get me right between the eyes.... at this point i stop waving and put my hands up!  They're still coming, i exaggerate my hands up body position,i am surrendering dont shoot, i know they wont shoot but the situation is too good to miss, they are STILL coming, i take the piss and wave them off to the left with desperate exaggerated hand movements. At this point i swear both planes twitch and move, they are laughing, i am sure they are, and then they instantly and in perfect time and position in the air bank hard left at 90 degrees, white streaks off the wing tips showing off a perfect view of the under belly which i could reach out and touch (felt like) and they fack off up the valley with an ALMIGHTY roar while waving their wings side to side as they level out, which i took as an acknowledgment.

 Now that IS worth going to the lakes for, totally totally awesome. An experience i will never ever forget.

God bless the Raf.
 
My Mum dont get it though, all she does is moan about the noise...  And i have to say they do put the wind up when they fly over the house, i love it though, gives me goose bumps. :-)
 
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Re: How low are military jets allowed too fly.
« Reply #37 on: 20 February 2009, 05:39:03 »

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when we were in Scotland the tornado pilots came down so low we could see them giving us the bird  ;D ;D

Yeehaaaaaw Maverick  Great Balls of Fire!!!   :y ;D ;D ;D
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Re: How low are military jets allowed too fly.
« Reply #38 on: 20 February 2009, 07:21:24 »

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when we were in Scotland the tornado pilots came down so low we could see them giving us the bird  ;D ;D

Yeehaaaaaw Maverick  Great Balls of Fire!!!   :y ;D ;D ;D

Na i prefer Goose"s last words.....""eje......"" THUD ;D ;D

Why oh why didnt maverick bang gooses mrs after killing him.....bad enough too do ya best mate in but unforgivable too deny the poor little thing a bit of hows ya father.

Id have been on it before the guys body was cold. :y
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Re: How low are military jets allowed too fly.
« Reply #39 on: 20 February 2009, 07:39:50 »

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when we were in Scotland the tornado pilots came down so low we could see them giving us the bird  ;D ;D

Yeehaaaaaw Maverick  Great Balls of Fire!!!   :y ;D ;D ;D

Na i prefer Goose"s last words.....""eje......"" THUD ;D ;D

Why oh why didnt maverick bang gooses mrs after killing him.....bad enough too do ya best mate in but unforgivable too deny the poor little thing a bit of hows ya father.

Id have been on it before the guys body was cold. :y

My favourite part:

"I'm gonna hit the brakes and he'll fly right by!"
"You're gonna do WHAT!?"

Gets me every time  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: How low are military jets allowed too fly.
« Reply #40 on: 20 February 2009, 08:14:09 »

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when we were in Scotland the tornado pilots came down so low we could see them giving us the bird  ;D ;D

Yeehaaaaaw Maverick  Great Balls of Fire!!!   :y ;D ;D ;D

Na i prefer Goose"s last words.....""eje......"" THUD ;D ;D

Why oh why didnt maverick bang gooses mrs after killing him.....bad enough too do ya best mate in but unforgivable too deny the poor little thing a bit of hows ya father.

Id have been on it before the guys body was cold. :y

My favourite part:

"I'm gonna hit the brakes and he'll fly right by!"
"You're gonna do WHAT!?"

Gets me every time  ;D ;D ;D ;D

It's a film you can watch time and time again!!

And that's my favourite line too :y :y ;D ;D
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Re: How low are military jets allowed too fly.
« Reply #41 on: 20 February 2009, 08:33:09 »

I lived in a hamlet called Carmichael between Biggar and Lanark in Scotland. We were in a long tight valley with a 45 degree bend at the end . We frequently seen Tornadoes fly through the valley at a height of 500 feet but occassionaly I seen them a LOT lower . I once took a datum of several trees and believe he was between 150 to 200 feet .
Not that frightening as the flight path was away from the houses but  certainly some sight to see it dodging and weaving . Respect  :y
Much worse was the Chinooks when they did formation low flying at night. Now they were 'kin low  :o
The noise was frightening and as they were blacked out you could hear ,feel but not see ........
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Re: How low are military jets allowed too fly.
« Reply #42 on: 20 February 2009, 08:36:28 »

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I lived in a hamlet called Carmichael between Biggar and Lanark in Scotland. We were in a long tight valley with a 45 degree bend at the end . We frequently seen Tornadoes fly through the valley at a height of 500 feet but occassionaly I seen them a LOT lower . I once took a datum of several trees and believe he was between 150 to 200 feet .
Not that frightening as the flight path was away from the houses but  certainly some sight to see it dodging and weaving . Respect  :y
Much worse was the Chinooks when they did formation low flying at night. Now they were 'kin low  :o
The noise was frightening and as they were blacked out you could hear ,feel but not see ........

I can show you some fantastic chinook footage, sadly not on here.  Newent maybe  :y
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Re: How low are military jets allowed too fly.
« Reply #43 on: 20 February 2009, 08:37:55 »

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I lived in a hamlet called Carmichael between Biggar and Lanark in Scotland. We were in a long tight valley with a 45 degree bend at the end . We frequently seen Tornadoes fly through the valley at a height of 500 feet but occassionaly I seen them a LOT lower . I once took a datum of several trees and believe he was between 150 to 200 feet .
Not that frightening as the flight path was away from the houses but  certainly some sight to see it dodging and weaving . Respect  :y
Much worse was the Chinooks when they did formation low flying at night. Now they were 'kin low  :o
The noise was frightening and as they were blacked out you could hear ,feel but not see ........

I can show you some fantastic chinook footage, sadly not on here.  Newent maybe  :y

Errm... Yep! Bring and share :y :y :y
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Re: How low are military jets allowed too fly.
« Reply #44 on: 20 February 2009, 08:43:18 »

I live in former USAF officers MQ's on a base which has been reactivated as an Army base. It is, however, not a "flying" base! But... It's a training ground for other nearby bases and an alternative European runway for the Space Shuttles :y :y :y :y

Anyway... I digress! When we first moved in the whole base was unoccupied save us and one other property. I went outside because of a low flying helicopter to be greeted with an Apache hovering over the neighbours garden! He was that low I could see the rivets and writing on the access flaps :o :o :o He then shot off over the top of me, down the gardens between the bungalows and into a near vertical climb :y :y :y Awesome sight :y :y :y
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