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[Banjax]

ok, for the four guys on here who openly admit to voting for the BNP -  can I ask why?

What was it about their politics that attracts you, what policies do they have that makes you feel that they are the right party to run the country?

What area's of society will benefit by having them in power, and who will (in your eyes, justifiably) suffer as a result?

I second that question from Sev - it genuinely baffles me that otherwise rational, intelligent humans, proud of this countries history of tolerance, who have lost empires fighting fascists, can bring themselves to vote for an openly fascist, racist party?

So where the egg throwers tolerant ? we have allready reached the stage in this country where to have a view that differs from what the authorities want you to have, then you are ridiculed for it.
This is not the democratic free UK that I believe in.

you don't believe in a free UK if you vote BNP, you believe in free for some - thats not what the UK is about

vote for who you like - just don't expect people not to react when faced with extreme views - demonstrating  in a free society is a basic right - its amusing to see the BNP crying about rights - what rights do they give to "non-indigenous people" (whatever that means) what rights to they propose for those of a different colour?

please spare me the debate about rights for fascists

[mantahatch]

ok, for the four guys on here who openly admit to voting for the BNP -  can I ask why?

What was it about their politics that attracts you, what policies do they have that makes you feel that they are the right party to run the country?

What area's of society will benefit by having them in power, and who will (in your eyes, justifiably) suffer as a result?

I second that question from Sev - it genuinely baffles me that otherwise rational, intelligent humans, proud of this countries history of tolerance, who have lost empires fighting fascists, can bring themselves to vote for an openly fascist, racist party?

So where the egg throwers tolerant ? we have allready reached the stage in this country where to have a view that differs from what the authorities want you to have, then you are ridiculed for it.
This is not the democratic free UK that I believe in.

you don't believe in a free UK if you vote BNP, you believe in free for some - thats not what the UK is about

vote for who you like - just don't expect people not to react when faced with extreme views - demonstrating  in a free society is a basic right - its amusing to see the BNP crying about rights - what rights do they give to "non-indigenous people" (whatever that means) what rights to they propose for those of a different colour?

please spare me the debate about rights for fascists

So ok for you to have rights but not for someone who's view differs from your, that is worse.

[Nickbat]

ok, for the four guys on here who openly admit to voting for the BNP -  can I ask why?

What was it about their politics that attracts you, what policies do they have that makes you feel that they are the right party to run the country?

What area's of society will benefit by having them in power, and who will (in your eyes, justifiably) suffer as a result?

I second that question from Sev - it genuinely baffles me that otherwise rational, intelligent humans, proud of this countries history of tolerance, who have lost empires fighting fascists, can bring themselves to vote for an openly fascist, racist party?

So where the egg throwers tolerant ? we have allready reached the stage in this country where to have a view that differs from what the authorities want you to have, then you are ridiculed for it.
This is not the democratic free UK that I believe in.

you don't believe in a free UK if you vote BNP, you believe in free for some - thats not what the UK is about

vote for who you like - just don't expect people not to react when faced with extreme views - demonstrating  in a free society is a basic right - its amusing to see the BNP crying about rights - what rights do they give to "non-indigenous people" (whatever that means) what rights to they propose for those of a different colour?

please spare me the debate about rights for fascists

The police stood by and did nothing. THAT IS VERY WRONG.

Rightly or wrongly, the BNP secured seats through democratic election. As soon as the police become an instrument of the party in power, you have the beginnings of fascism. 

[Banjax]

ok, for the four guys on here who openly admit to voting for the BNP -  can I ask why?

What was it about their politics that attracts you, what policies do they have that makes you feel that they are the right party to run the country?

What area's of society will benefit by having them in power, and who will (in your eyes, justifiably) suffer as a result?

I second that question from Sev - it genuinely baffles me that otherwise rational, intelligent humans, proud of this countries history of tolerance, who have lost empires fighting fascists, can bring themselves to vote for an openly fascist, racist party?

So where the egg throwers tolerant ? we have allready reached the stage in this country where to have a view that differs from what the authorities want you to have, then you are ridiculed for it.
This is not the democratic free UK that I believe in.

you don't believe in a free UK if you vote BNP, you believe in free for some - thats not what the UK is about

vote for who you like - just don't expect people not to react when faced with extreme views - demonstrating  in a free society is a basic right - its amusing to see the BNP crying about rights - what rights do they give to "non-indigenous people" (whatever that means) what rights to they propose for those of a different colour?

please spare me the debate about rights for fascists

The police stood by and did nothing. THAT IS VERY WRONG.

Rightly or wrongly, the BNP secured seats through democratic election. As soon as the police become an instrument of the party in power, you have the beginnings of fascism. 

true Nickbat, but lets not pretend that the BNP are a democratic party - yes they've gained some power in a democratic election, but they themselves are not - ask the BNP if anyone can join them if you think they're democratic

[Nickbat]

...and furthermore, we are now governed by a cabinet heavily influenced by the non-elected and non-accountable.

..and they have the cheek to try and change the voting system because they fear they may lose if we stick with the existing first-past-the post system.

..and Gordon Brown has been accused of suppressing a report of an investigation into whether the minister Shahid Malik broke the rules over parliamentary expenses, despite a promise to bring in a new era of "transparency" in politics.

This administration is far more dangerous than a couple of toytown nazis.   

[Lizzie_Zoom]

ok, for the four guys on here who openly admit to voting for the BNP -  can I ask why?

What was it about their politics that attracts you, what policies do they have that makes you feel that they are the right party to run the country?

What area's of society will benefit by having them in power, and who will (in your eyes, justifiably) suffer as a result?

I second that question from Sev - it genuinely baffles me that otherwise rational, intelligent humans, proud of this countries history of tolerance, who have lost empires fighting fascists, can bring themselves to vote for an openly fascist, racist party?

So where the egg throwers tolerant ? we have allready reached the stage in this country where to have a view that differs from what the authorities want you to have, then you are ridiculed for it.
This is not the democratic free UK that I believe in.

you don't believe in a free UK if you vote BNP, you believe in free for some - thats not what the UK is about

vote for who you like - just don't expect people not to react when faced with extreme views - demonstrating  in a free society is a basic right - its amusing to see the BNP crying about rights - what rights do they give to "non-indigenous people" (whatever that means) what rights to they propose for those of a different colour?

please spare me the debate about rights for fascists

The police stood by and did nothing. THAT IS VERY WRONG.

Rightly or wrongly, the BNP secured seats through democratic election. As soon as the police become an instrument of the party in power, you have the beginnings of fascism. 

On the face of it Nick I will agree with you utterly, although as for the police doing nothing they did the same when Lord Mandelson was attacked with custard.  So perhaps there is no biased here; the met police / police generally are just inept at protecting politicians from such attack due possibly fear of being accused of the very political biased you accuse them of. 

Just an observation Nick of course, but just consider down here in the South East a story hit the TV screens yesterday.  It was about how a young woman was seriously hurt when being puched in the face randomly by a man, who was subsequently given just a caution.  Why?  Because the CPS (yet again ) told the police  that it was "not in the public interest" to pursue a full prosecution!!

People then wonder why the police are reluctant to over reach themselves in certain crimes, like BNP leaders being pelted in eggs, with all the subsequent paperwork and man hours being used, only for the CPS to typically say "not in the public interest" to prosecute.  Believe me this is very frustrating to the average copper!

[Nickbat]

ok, for the four guys on here who openly admit to voting for the BNP -  can I ask why?

What was it about their politics that attracts you, what policies do they have that makes you feel that they are the right party to run the country?

What area's of society will benefit by having them in power, and who will (in your eyes, justifiably) suffer as a result?

I second that question from Sev - it genuinely baffles me that otherwise rational, intelligent humans, proud of this countries history of tolerance, who have lost empires fighting fascists, can bring themselves to vote for an openly fascist, racist party?

So where the egg throwers tolerant ? we have allready reached the stage in this country where to have a view that differs from what the authorities want you to have, then you are ridiculed for it.
This is not the democratic free UK that I believe in.

you don't believe in a free UK if you vote BNP, you believe in free for some - thats not what the UK is about

vote for who you like - just don't expect people not to react when faced with extreme views - demonstrating  in a free society is a basic right - its amusing to see the BNP crying about rights - what rights do they give to "non-indigenous people" (whatever that means) what rights to they propose for those of a different colour?

please spare me the debate about rights for fascists

The police stood by and did nothing. THAT IS VERY WRONG.

Rightly or wrongly, the BNP secured seats through democratic election. As soon as the police become an instrument of the party in power, you have the beginnings of fascism. 

true Nickbat, but lets not pretend that the BNP are a democratic party - yes they've gained some power in a democratic election, but they themselves are not - ask the BNP if anyone can join them if you think they're democratic

I see the point you are trying to make, but it is largely irrelevant. The BNP are not illegal, and their election is not illegal. The police cannot pick and choose whom the wish to protect.

The scum in power now are the best recruitment drive for the BNP ever witnessed. 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I can well appretiate the feelings of the many about the BNP and Nick Griffin in particular, with me wishing he had been strangled at birth.  However, regardless of individual sentiments, this country is a democracy, and everyone should have the right to explain their beliefs, and it is wrong for anyone to be physically assaulted (even by eggs!) when exercising their democratic rights, especially as Griffin is an elected MEP.  As much as I dislike this, it is right within our precious democracy.

Let him, and other BNP party activists speak; the people of this country will soon learn exactly what this man preaches and will be so sickened that he will be voted out into oblivion as quickly as possible.

My answer to this little debate about the rights of the BNP is purely a repeat of what I stated before, as shown above in its entirity.

[Elite Pete]

ok, for the four guys on here who openly admit to voting for the BNP -  can I ask why?

What was it about their politics that attracts you, what policies do they have that makes you feel that they are the right party to run the country?

What area's of society will benefit by having them in power, and who will (in your eyes, justifiably) suffer as a result?

I have many reasons why I voted for the BNP but my main one is I am sick of this countries open border policy and I haven't heard anything from the major parties about it to make me want to vote for them.
Oh and before anyone suggests I am racist, my son in law is black and I have a lovely 9 month old grandson who is mixed race.

[Nickbat]

ok, for the four guys on here who openly admit to voting for the BNP -  can I ask why?

What was it about their politics that attracts you, what policies do they have that makes you feel that they are the right party to run the country?

What area's of society will benefit by having them in power, and who will (in your eyes, justifiably) suffer as a result?

I second that question from Sev - it genuinely baffles me that otherwise rational, intelligent humans, proud of this countries history of tolerance, who have lost empires fighting fascists, can bring themselves to vote for an openly fascist, racist party?

So where the egg throwers tolerant ? we have allready reached the stage in this country where to have a view that differs from what the authorities want you to have, then you are ridiculed for it.
This is not the democratic free UK that I believe in.

you don't believe in a free UK if you vote BNP, you believe in free for some - thats not what the UK is about

vote for who you like - just don't expect people not to react when faced with extreme views - demonstrating  in a free society is a basic right - its amusing to see the BNP crying about rights - what rights do they give to "non-indigenous people" (whatever that means) what rights to they propose for those of a different colour?

please spare me the debate about rights for fascists

The police stood by and did nothing. THAT IS VERY WRONG.

Rightly or wrongly, the BNP secured seats through democratic election. As soon as the police become an instrument of the party in power, you have the beginnings of fascism. 

On the face of it Nick I will agree with you utterly, although as for the police doing nothing they did the same when Lord Mandelson was attacked with custard.  So perhaps there is no biased here; the met police / police generally are just inept at protecting politicians from such attack due possibly fear of being accused of the very political biased you accuse them of. 

Just an observation Nick of course, but just consider down here in the South East a story hit the TV screens yesterday.  It was about how a young woman was seriously hurt when being puched in the face randomly by a man, who was subsequently given just a caution.  Why?  Because the CPS (yet again ) told the police  that it was "not in the public interest" to pursue a full prosecution!!

People then wonder why the police are reluctant to over reach themselves in certain crimes, like BNP leaders being pelted in eggs, with all the subsequent paperwork and man hours being used, only for the CPS to typically say "not in the public interest" to prosecute.  Believe me this is very frustrating to the average copper!

When Mandelson was attacked with custard, he was not being interviewed. The anti-fascists took it upon themselves to try to shut down free speech. That is nazism itself.

I'm tired of saying that they have a lawful right to say what they want. We should, indeed must, debate them and, through that discourse, demonstrate that their policies are wrong.

Was it not Voltaire who said "I disagree entirely with what you say , but I shall fight to the death to protect your right to say it"? I am genuinely more scared of this government than 2 pathetic BNP MEPs. 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

ok, for the four guys on here who openly admit to voting for the BNP -  can I ask why?

What was it about their politics that attracts you, what policies do they have that makes you feel that they are the right party to run the country?

What area's of society will benefit by having them in power, and who will (in your eyes, justifiably) suffer as a result?

I second that question from Sev - it genuinely baffles me that otherwise rational, intelligent humans, proud of this countries history of tolerance, who have lost empires fighting fascists, can bring themselves to vote for an openly fascist, racist party?

So where the egg throwers tolerant ? we have allready reached the stage in this country where to have a view that differs from what the authorities want you to have, then you are ridiculed for it.
This is not the democratic free UK that I believe in.

you don't believe in a free UK if you vote BNP, you believe in free for some - thats not what the UK is about

vote for who you like - just don't expect people not to react when faced with extreme views - demonstrating  in a free society is a basic right - its amusing to see the BNP crying about rights - what rights do they give to "non-indigenous people" (whatever that means) what rights to they propose for those of a different colour?

please spare me the debate about rights for fascists

The police stood by and did nothing. THAT IS VERY WRONG.

Rightly or wrongly, the BNP secured seats through democratic election. As soon as the police become an instrument of the party in power, you have the beginnings of fascism. 

On the face of it Nick I will agree with you utterly, although as for the police doing nothing they did the same when Lord Mandelson was attacked with custard.  So perhaps there is no biased here; the met police / police generally are just inept at protecting politicians from such attack due possibly fear of being accused of the very political biased you accuse them of. 

Just an observation Nick of course, but just consider down here in the South East a story hit the TV screens yesterday.  It was about how a young woman was seriously hurt when being puched in the face randomly by a man, who was subsequently given just a caution.  Why?  Because the CPS (yet again ) told the police  that it was "not in the public interest" to pursue a full prosecution!!

People then wonder why the police are reluctant to over reach themselves in certain crimes, like BNP leaders being pelted in eggs, with all the subsequent paperwork and man hours being used, only for the CPS to typically say "not in the public interest" to prosecute.  Believe me this is very frustrating to the average copper!

When Mandelson was attacked with custard, he was not being interviewed. The anti-fascists took it upon themselves to try to shut down free speech. That is nazism itself.

I'm tired of saying that they have a lawful right to say what they want. We should, indeed must, debate them and, through that discourse, demonstrate that their policies are wrong.

Was it not Voltaire who said "I disagree entirely with what you say , but I shall fight to the death to protect your right to say it"? I am genuinely more scared of this government than 2 pathetic BNP MEPs. 

That is exactly what I said Nick on the first page of this thread, and now repeated above

[mantahatch]

ok, for the four guys on here who openly admit to voting for the BNP -  can I ask why?

What was it about their politics that attracts you, what policies do they have that makes you feel that they are the right party to run the country?

What area's of society will benefit by having them in power, and who will (in your eyes, justifiably) suffer as a result?

I second that question from Sev - it genuinely baffles me that otherwise rational, intelligent humans, proud of this countries history of tolerance, who have lost empires fighting fascists, can bring themselves to vote for an openly fascist, racist party?

So where the egg throwers tolerant ? we have allready reached the stage in this country where to have a view that differs from what the authorities want you to have, then you are ridiculed for it.
This is not the democratic free UK that I believe in.

you don't believe in a free UK if you vote BNP, you believe in free for some - thats not what the UK is about

vote for who you like - just don't expect people not to react when faced with extreme views - demonstrating  in a free society is a basic right - its amusing to see the BNP crying about rights - what rights do they give to "non-indigenous people" (whatever that means) what rights to they propose for those of a different colour?

please spare me the debate about rights for fascists

The police stood by and did nothing. THAT IS VERY WRONG.

Rightly or wrongly, the BNP secured seats through democratic election. As soon as the police become an instrument of the party in power, you have the beginnings of fascism. 

true Nickbat, but lets not pretend that the BNP are a democratic party - yes they've gained some power in a democratic election, but they themselves are not - ask the BNP if anyone can join them if you think they're democratic

Let's think about this for a miute, how many other groups can you not join.

The association of black police officers. I do not believe everyone can join that.

Some religious groups you cannot fully join unless you where born to parents of that group.

Now the labour party, you can't join that anymore. All you can do is become a labour supporter, so no you can't join the labour party.

Let's have a joke one, the golf club

Can men join the the womens institute ?

And I am sure there are many other groups.

So is it so wrong that not everyone can join the bnp ?

[Lizzie_Zoom]

ok, for the four guys on here who openly admit to voting for the BNP -  can I ask why?

What was it about their politics that attracts you, what policies do they have that makes you feel that they are the right party to run the country?

What area's of society will benefit by having them in power, and who will (in your eyes, justifiably) suffer as a result?

I have many reasons why I voted for the BNP but my main one is I am sick of this countries open border policy and I haven't heard anything from the major parties about it to make me want to vote for them.
Oh and before anyone suggests I am racist, my son in law is black and I have a lovely 9 month old grandson who is mixed race.

I do believe everyone has a right to vote for whom they wish.  However as you have volunteered this information Pete, I just want to ask why vote for the BNP then given those circumstances?

Nick Griffin when part of the National Front wanted "White Power", so given his wish no black person would be in this country now.  With the BNP he has made it clear that non-whites should not have any power in this country, and indeed should be "encouraged" to return to where they came from!

With a mixed raced family members, how will they fit in, and live, within such a racist society as the BNP envisage?

[cem_devecioglu]

ok.. I'm neither a UK citizen or an immigrant..

but I also want to tell my opinion..

looking from the point of view; personal rights,  its wrong that police dont do nothing about..

but,....

in times of problems, some political reactions go after the easy egg..

and its very easy to provocate masses with some promises of better life and showing the one "guilty" ..which is already done here (my country) with another tool "religion"..

And a sample 

"Nick Griffin, newly-minted MEP, was on Radio Five this morning claiming that the science of genetics legitimised his party's racist policies. Two thirds of people in Britain with British parents, he claims, can trace their "genetic ancestry" back to ice-age settlers in the geographical area of the UK"


I hope nobody "takes offense", Hitler was also elected within democracy..

Just imagine a scenario what will happen when they take 70-80% of the votes.. 

And I cant blame the people who show reaction.. :-/

[theowletman]

If what you are saying is that the BNP should not be allowed to use their democratically elected position to influence debates and policies concerning the values and traditions of this country then unfortunately they are not alone.
Any government which stamps its own beliefs on people who may not agree with those beliefs could be regarded as fascists just like the BNP. Any government who used violence and even war to impose those beliefs, for their own convenience, could be regarded as murdering fascists, don't you agree ?
Ever heard of Iraq and Afghanistan ?
Our superb armed forces are fighting an un winnable war for , lets face it - oil. I feel for every family bereaved by these conflicts and wonder if history will show if their sacrifices were worth it?
I attach no blame to our armed forces, they are merely doing what our political leaders order them to.