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[sassanach]

the arguement that cameras are only placed in accident blackspots is pure fantasy, ie batheaston bypass,brand new road built across a greenfield site complete with SPEED camera(you cant measure safety)presumably the cows were moving to fast.

[HerefordElite]

i will elaborate

how can making people slowing down for fixed cameras do any good when you can speed back up again straight after???

i used to commute to Coventry every day and the A45 from the M42 in was a race track - hammering along, slow down, speed up etc.

no point if you know the camera is there.


as for mobile vans they are completely a scam, there is one round the corner from my house on a nice wide road that should really be a 40 limit not 30 (soon to be bloody 20 i expect) and they try and hide the van just round the corner to catch people, how is that improving safety??
?

IT'S NOT IT'S JUST MAKING MONEY

 

[GG]

'dangle berries'

safety SCAMeras the lot of them  

   

[KillerWatt]

Yep, the answer is minority, messing up for the vast majority of decent law abiding citizens.

And as I said, the minority are unregistered sheds and TWOC'rs....both of which never get brought to book by a camera.

Trying to keep up with the discussion points without speeding

I've kept with the program 3 times so far, and you have conveniently avoided answering all the points I have raised.

Are you going to attempt to answer them, or are you just going to hope that nobody reads my thoughts and starts realising for themselves that you don't have an answer for any of them?

[HerefordElite]

oh yeah ps

SPEED doesn't kill people - BAD DRIVINGdoes - police's own statistics prove this but that don't earn revenue

[GG]

oh yeah ps

SPEED doesn't kill people - BAD DRIVINGdoes - police's own statistics prove this but that don't earn revenue

Enough said I think  

[sassanach]

even this bloke (by his actions) thinks its b@llshit
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1241648025

[GG]

even this bloke (by his actions) thinks its b@llshit
http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1241648025

Nice  

[Baron Von Spongebob]

I thought Jackanory finished years ago, am i reading this correctly.

Money making speed cameras nothing else.

[over50now]

Hi Killer Watt,

No intention of conveniently avoiding an issue.

remind me what your points are, and I will do my best to come up with an answer.  Maybe not what you want to hear though.

My intention of making this post was to get a discussion going.  Devils advocate.

From the posts, it has certainly done that!!!!!!!!!!
What was on telly last night

[KillerWatt]

remind me what your points are, and I will do my best to come up with an answer.

Read back, they start on page 1

[mantahatch]

Head over the parapet time.

Facts - not fiction.   I teach this every day. I'm one of the trainers on the National Speed Awareness Course. The following might help us understand why cameras have been sited. Still might not like them, but might be a bit more acceptable.

The Government have an on-going 10 year road safety programme. By the year 2010, their aim is a 40% reduction in road users (drivers, riders, pedestrians (you and me)) being killed or seriously injured. Refered as KSI. Also a 50% reduction in child KSI on our roads.  (Children - 15 years and under).

Prior to the year 2000, revenue collected from speed cameras went to the Government. Where it went from there ??

Since 2000, as part of the Government aim, Safety Camera Partnerships (SCP) were formed. Revenue from cameras still go to the Government, in actual fact, The Department of Constitional Affairs (DCA). The SCP then present a portfolio to the DCA and claim that revenue back to spend on reducing road casualties in that SCP operating area. If the SCP have got their act together, that money comes back.  Some SCP's are very good at getting it back and spend it on the three E's.    Education, Engineerng and the last option Enforcement.   Education is the first option.   Check out what your local authority is doing to reduce casualties by checking out their web sites. See if they are doing free driver training, or financially assisted /subsidied driver training (Paid for by the revenue collected from safety cameras)

Northants for example do free training for 16 year olds before they get their licence, free training for 17/18 to 24 year olds after they pass the very basic 'L' test and free motor cycle training (no age restriction).  Available for Northants residents. Courses are 1 day events at Silverstone / Rockingham.

The siting of cameras have strict criteria, as follows:-

Fixed/Static:-
Within 500 metres of the camera site, within a 3 year period there have been 8 personal injury crashes/collisions of which involved at least 4 KSI's   (Northants 3 KSI's - very proactive)
Mobile:-
Within 500 metres of the camera site, within a 3 year period there have been 4 personal injury crashes/collisions of which involved at least 2 KSI's   (Northants 1 KSI - very proactive)
There are occasions when Mobile cameras attend a location, this is normally as a result of a request of the local community or as a result speed issue/abuse collected data (Northants mobile can spend up to 15% of their operating time at these requested or abuse/issue sites).

Now having said all that, very basically, we wait until something happens in this country until we do something.  Yep, someone or a number of someone's have died or been maimed, before something is done.   This country is reactive.
Last thought, every time you see a bunch of flowers, bouquet of flowers, collection of flowers at the side of the road, what do you think has happened there?

Next time you see a safety camera, consider what has happened there, or very nearby for the reasons for that camera to be sited.

Up for discussion???
Appreciate that not all systems are perfect.

Hope the above helps you understand this emotive subject a bit more.

First highlight, the speed camera in Bishopstoke Road Eastleigh has only ever had 1 known fatality but they still put a camera there !!

Second highlight, I suspect someone has been fly tipping, let's be honest if I put my garden rubbish at the side of the road I would be considered a fly tipper. why are these flowers considered any different ?

Lastly I don't speed, because I refuse to fill gordon browns pockets anymore than I have to.

At first I fully supported speed cameras, but now I see them for what they realy are. They do not stop speeding anywhere else except where they are sited, bring back Police on the roads to appear anywhere anytime.

[Martin_1962]

Speed cameras create a lot of small prangs, where first car breaks while second car checks their speed.

"Sorry I ran over your child I was too busy checking my speed"

Speed camera operative - I nearly hit one once - I had no choice.

Fast and very busy DC (A30), I was in inside lane towing, following a lorry, I was being overtaken by a stream of traffic. First rule of towing, do not overtake lorries while going down hill.

Talivan parked on the side of the road partly still on the road, it moved when I went past, as did my caravan - the gap was a couple of inches!

If the caravan had swayed the other way - possible dead camera operator due to stupid parking. If a lorry had hit it - definate game over.

They had parking places on the A30 - mind you the lorry nearly had it too!

[Macduff]

I will never be convinced that all cameras are "safety cameras" as where I live they seem to placed where there has never been an accident, one is placed in the middle of a long section of country road the only safe place to overtake. they are cash cows without a doubt. As for those sneaky gits in the camera vans don't get me started!  

[Andy B]

I will never be convinced that all cameras are "safety cameras" as where I live they seem to placed where there has never been an accident, one is placed in the middle of a long section of country road the only safe place to overtake. they are cash cows without a doubt. As for those sneaky gits in the camera vans don't get me started!  

and those who think otherwise are deluded or niave!