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[over50now]

Hi Killer Watt,

Looked at your issues from page 1.  I think that throughout the tread, that everything has been answered.

Other OOFers, It was an honourable attempt to get a discussion going, after all, this part of OOF is 'General Chat'

Several opinions have been voiced, which we are all entitled to. Sometimes a good old discussion is good but I don't think I'll contribute again tho, bit sad about that

[Kevin Wood]

I do alot of driving across the country here and I know of only three speed cameras. None of which actually work.

And on most roads that are tolled over here, there is almost no chance of comming across a copper (I haven't come across any on a toll motorway) because they don't want to pay.  

So you're all welcome to come over and drive as fast as you like

Funnily enough, that's exactly what I'm doing.  

Kevin

[Kevin Wood]

Oh, I brought a couple of friends along...



Kevin

[HerefordElite]

oh yeah ps

SPEED doesn't kill people - BAD DRIVINGdoes - police's own statistics prove this but that don't earn revenue

If you want to be scientific (?) acceleration kills people not speed.

The 'speed kills' argument came out of a sound bite from decades ago, where a simple catchy slogan can have beneficial effects on people.  It was never true, but by its use at the time, undoubtedly lives were saved.

Unfortunately we don't tend to think too carefully about what we say these days, we just look to provide an effect.  So the falsehood is regurgitated over and over again.

If speed really killed we would not have any astronauts returning from space.

if you want to be really scientific : deceleration kills (ie when you hit a tree)

[Andy B]

..... : deceleration kills (ie when you hit a tree)

abit like when you fall ........ it's not the fall that hurts, it's the sudden stop at the bottom!!!      

[KillerWatt]

Hi Killer Watt,

Looked at your issues from page 1.  I think that throughout the tread, that everything has been answered.

With all due respect, you haven't answered jack s**t.

Sticking to an arbitary number does NOT make for a safe driver....driving according to the conditions however does contribute towards road safety.

If I told you that in a 5 mile journey I took my eyes off the road for a second 3 times in that journey to look at a bit of pussy, you'd be thinking I was some sort of c**t (and rightfully so).

If however I told you that I took my eyes off the road for a second (because thats how long it takes) to ensure I was doing 30mph bang on the money for that same journey, do you really believe that makes me so much safer?

[albitz]

Oh, I brought a couple of friends along...



Kevin

Looks familiar Kevin,my dad worked there for 25 years and I grew up about 2 miles up the road.

[albitz]

I do alot of driving across the country here and I know of only three speed cameras. None of which actually work.

And on most roads that are tolled over here, there is almost no chance of comming across a copper (I haven't come across any on a toll motorway) because they don't want to pay.  

So you're all welcome to come over and drive as fast as you like

Funnily enough, that's exactly what I'm doing.  

Kevin

Need to be careful in Norn Irn though,specs cameras springing up all over the place.

[jjleonard]

Hi Killer Watt,

Looked at your issues from page 1.  I think that throughout the tread, that everything has been answered.

With all due respect, you haven't answered jack s**t.

Sticking to an arbitary number does NOT make for a safe driver....driving according to the conditions however does contribute towards road safety.

If I told you that in a 5 mile journey I took my eyes off the road for a second 3 times in that journey to look at a bit of pussy, you'd be thinking I was some sort of c**t (and rightfully so).

If however I told you that I took my eyes off the road for a second (because thats how long it takes) to ensure I was doing 30mph bang on the money for that same journey, do you really believe that makes me so much safer?

Just a quick question - why would you have to check your speedo to ensure you were doing exactly 30?

Why not do 25? or 20? The speed limit is precisely that - a LIMIT. if you insist on driving at exactly the limit, then you - and you alone - are creating a situation where the chance of you veering over that limit are far greater than if you were driving slower.

I'm sure that if you were driving slower then an increase in speed would be more apparent.

I'd have to leap in and say, also, that this is a legal matter. The camera is there to enforce an existing law - the speed limit on the road - therefore, surely, the limit is the issue here, not the device used to enforce it, whether a police officer or a static camera.

To add a point about your earlier question about siting cameras outside schools - surely you've answered it yourself. If people are already slowing by default outside a school, why would a camera be required to enforce that limit? Can you tell me how many schools in the country actually DO have cameras outside them?

Devils' advocate - as over50now was.   I absolutely respect your right to your opinion!

[Andy B]

.......
Why not do 25? or 20? The speed limit is precisely that - a LIMIT.  .......

According to my daughter's BSM driving instructor , you're expected to drive to the limit set ...... whenever possible.

[Omega man 2]

.......
Why not do 25? or 20? The speed limit is precisely that - a LIMIT.  .......

According to my daughter's BSM driving instructor , you're expected to drive to the limit set ...... whenever possible.

Correct

To keep good progress or whatever they call it

[Andy B]

.......
Why not do 25? or 20? The speed limit is precisely that - a LIMIT.  .......

According to my daughter's BSM driving instructor , you're expected to drive to the limit set ...... whenever possible.

Correct

To keep good progress or whatever they call it

Maintaining progress! That's it!      

[jjleonard]

.......
Why not do 25? or 20? The speed limit is precisely that - a LIMIT.  .......

According to my daughter's BSM driving instructor , you're expected to drive to the limit set ...... whenever possible.

Sorry - is that really the case? That you are expected to drive exactly at the limit?

I don't deny that the BSM driving instructor said that - but that sort of advice is ridculous and dangerous, especially when taught to learners. How on earth would they be qualified to judge when it is safe to drive to the limit set? And surely TO the limit set can mean at any reasonable speed up to the limit set?

[jjleonard]

.......
Why not do 25? or 20? The speed limit is precisely that - a LIMIT.  .......

According to my daughter's BSM driving instructor , you're expected to drive to the limit set ...... whenever possible.

Correct

To keep good progress or whatever they call it

Maintaining progress! That's it!      

Granted - yes - that you are expected to maintain progress, but that doesn't, under any reasonable examination, mean that you should do exactly 30 in a 30 zone. You could do 25, still maintain good progress, and be a safe driver.

I really don't get this problem that people have with sticking to a legal speed limit. I freely admit that I don't all the time, but if I get caught breaking the limit by either a copper or a speed camera, then I suck it up as a fair cop and pay the fine and take the points. It's nobodies fault but my own.

Incidentally, the last time I got caught speeding was 18 months ago, by a cop with a camera, doing 35 in a 30 zone. it was a fair cop.

[Lazydocker]

....... Cut Short .......

To add a point about your earlier question about siting cameras outside schools - surely you've answered it yourself. If people are already slowing by default outside a school, why would a camera be required to enforce that limit? Can you tell me how many schools in the country actually DO have cameras outside them?

Devils' advocate - as over50now was.   I absolutely respect your right to your opinion!

We've got one just down the road... It's on the A12 in a stretch of Dual Carriageway which has a 40 Limit... The mobile van is there very frequently, and rightly so IMHO as people come through there at approaching double the limit sometimes