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[Turk]

Do the conspiracy theorists really expect us to believe that the Americans could do this AND then keep it secret for 40 years ??

Far too many people/agencies involved IMHO

Exactly, tens of thousands minimum, PLUS the Russians!!
Come on all, there was NO conspiracy!!

...or just 3 astronauts and a handfull of the "powers that be". Mission Control did not have any real "control". All they could do is watch, just like the rest of us.

3?!  How about the astronauts of Apollo 12 - 17 (ex 13); NASA personnel; all the external contractors; the (international) scientists, the media, the United States Navy personnel who plucked each Apollo crew from the Ocean, including the near catastrophic Apollo 13 crew, who went via a warehouse (??); etc, etc, oh, and of course the watching unfriendly Russians?

You really think they could all be fooled for 40 years and everyone kept quiet??

 

Just refering to this "landing".
3 astronauts plus a handfull of others.  Everyone else saw it from earth...the Russians included.
They definately went to the moon, they had to with the Russians watching, but the "landing"...hmm  :-/   
Didn't it take place conveniently on the "other side" of the moon ? 

No Turk Apollo 11 placed its astronauts in the highlands of Descartes in the middle south eastern section of the Earth facing side of the moon.  Indeed the following landings by Apollo's 12 to 17, except 13, all landed on the Earth facing side of the Moon, hence the photo's from the Moons surface showing our half 'blue globe'

  That makes it even more suspicious that we have no visual evidence, especially with all the high powered telescopes around today. 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Do the conspiracy theorists really expect us to believe that the Americans could do this AND then keep it secret for 40 years ??

Far too many people/agencies involved IMHO

Exactly, tens of thousands minimum, PLUS the Russians!!
Come on all, there was NO conspiracy!!

...or just 3 astronauts and a handfull of the "powers that be". Mission Control did not have any real "control". All they could do is watch, just like the rest of us.

3?!  How about the astronauts of Apollo 12 - 17 (ex 13); NASA personnel; all the external contractors; the (international) scientists, the media, the United States Navy personnel who plucked each Apollo crew from the Ocean, including the near catastrophic Apollo 13 crew, who went via a warehouse (??); etc, etc, oh, and of course the watching unfriendly Russians?

You really think they could all be fooled for 40 years and everyone kept quiet??

 

Just refering to this "landing".
3 astronauts plus a handfull of others.  Everyone else saw it from earth...the Russians included.
They definately went to the moon, they had to with the Russians watching, but the "landing"...hmm  :-/   
Didn't it take place conveniently on the "other side" of the moon ? 

No Turk Apollo 11 placed its astronauts in the highlands of Descartes in the middle south eastern section of the Earth facing side of the moon.  Indeed the following landings by Apollo's 12 to 17, except 13, all landed on the Earth facing side of the Moon, hence the photo's from the Moons surface showing our half 'blue globe'

  That makes it even more suspicious that we have no visual evidence, especially with all the high powered telescopes around today. 

But we do:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8157368.stm

 

[Turk]

They're gonna have to do better that that. What camers did they use. A Brownie ?

They'll be 31 miles above the surface in August.
Let's hope it all goes to plan and we get irrefutable proof.   

[Boiler Man]

Someone may have mentioned this before But

I remember at the time. Being an old git, that there was a Russian space craft hanging about at the time. They must have been tracking it and I'm sure if they hadn't landed, the Russian's would have been happy to let the world know about it.

Also they were tracked by Jodrell Bank and many other ground dishes from differant countries. Why would they lie?

[Turk]

Someone may have mentioned this before But

I remember at the time. Being an old git, that there was a Russian space craft hanging about at the time. They must have been tracking it and I'm sure if they hadn't landed, the Russian's would have been happy to let the world know about it.

Also they were tracked by Jodrell Bank and many other ground dishes from differant countries. Why would they lie?

As Neil Armstrong said last night at the Smithsonian Institute, they were way behind in the "Space Race". They desparately needed something big.

[Nickbat]

I remember hearing, from a good source, that both the US and the Soviets were easily capable of reaching the moon, but unlike the US, the USSR at the time lacked the inertial guidance* technology which was necessary for the landing itself.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_navigation_system#Guidance_in_Human_spaceflight 

[Entwood]

Well .....  those who believe in the conspiracy theory won't be persuaded by whatever is posted here.. they'll just remain with heads deeply in the sand ..

Forget logic ... it's America .. they must be lieing .... and continuing to lie 40 years on ....... regardless of everything to the contrary.

The rest of us "normal" folks can just remember, and admire, the effort, risk and scientific endeavour that resulted in an amazing journey and some fairly amazing inventions.

My one resounding thought is always .. thank God that "Elf & Safety" had not been invented ... I honestly believe that 99% of all modern inventions would be banned if H&S had existed .... 

[Turk]

Yet the USSR had already landed an unmanned craft and obtained lunar samples.

[Turk]

Well .....  those who believe in the conspiracy theory won't be persuaded by whatever is posted here.. they'll just remain with heads deeply in the sand ..

Forget logic ... it's America .. they must be lieing .... and continuing to lie 40 years on ....... regardless of everything to the contrary.

The rest of us "normal" folks can just remember, and admire, the effort, risk and scientific endeavour that resulted in an amazing journey and some fairly amazing inventions.
My one resounding thought is always .. thank God that "Elf & Safety" had not been invented ... I honestly believe that 99% of all modern inventions would be banned if H&S had existed .... 

What were the inventions ?

[Nickbat]

Yet the USSR had already landed an unmanned craft and obtained lunar samples.

Merely repeating what I'd heard. I think that landing a heavier manned capsule would have required much more technology than an unmanned probe.

But, I agree with Entwood. It is my belief that the lunar landings DID take place and no amount of evidence will persuade those who doubt it.

I think the conspiracy theory (like 9/11) is driven by anti-US emotions, IMHO. 

[Entwood]

The space programme, and the moon programme gave us many things .. from non-stick pans (teflon) to amino acids (baby food)  to modern trainers (shock absorbent materials) to sunglasses (reactolight lenses) plus many, many more ... a google search will list a great many ... just read this list from one site !!!

Scheduling software, semiconductors, microchips, structural analysis software, air quality monitors, virtual reality, Advanced keyboards, Customer Service Software, Database Management System, Laser Surveying, Aircraft controls, Lightweight Compact Disc, Expert System Software, Microcomputers, Design Graphics, Microwave ovens, enriched baby food, scratch-resistant eyeglass lenses, water purification, portable solid-state coolers/warmers, sports training, athletic shoes, Dustbuster, shock-absorbing helmets, home security systems, smoke detectors, flat panel televisions, high-density batteries, trash compactors, food packaging and freeze-dried technology, cool sportswear, sports bras, hair styling appliances, fogless ski goggles, self-adjusting sunglasses, composite golf clubs, hang gliders, art preservation, quartz crystal timing equipment, microspheres, weather forecasting, forest management, environmental control sensors, wind monitors, telemetry systems, plant research, Hydroponics, fire resistant materials, radiation insulation, Whale identification method, environmental analysis, noise abatement, pollution measuring devices, pollution control devices, smokestack monitor, radioactive leak detector, earthquake prediction system, sewage treatment, energy saving air conditioning, air purification, digital imaging breast biopsy system, breast cancer detection, laser angioplasty, ultrasound skin-damage assesment, human tissue stimulator, cool suit, programmable heart pacemaker, ocular screening, automated urinalysis, medical gas analyzer, voice-controlled wheelchair, Arteriosclerosis detection, ultrasound scanners, automatic insulin pump, portable x-ray device, invisible braces, dental arch wire, palate surgery technology, clean room apparel, implantable heart aid, MRI, bone analyzer, cataract surgery tools, magnetic liquids, welding sensor system, microlasers, magnetic bearings, plasma-sprayed engine coating, interactive multi-media training, high-pressure water stripping, advanced welding torch, Gasoline vapor recovery, self-locking fasteners, machine tool software, laser wire stripper, lubricant coating process, wireless communications, engine coatings, engine design, personal radiation detectors, Remotely-operated robot, personal alarm system, emergency rescue cutters, Lighter-weight firefighter's air tanks, Lightning detectors, self-righting life rafts, Storm warning services (Doppler radar), firefighters' radios, lead poison detection, fire detector, flame detector, corrosion protection coating, protective clothing, and robotic hands, studless winter tires, high-temperature composite materials, laminar airflow air purification, lightweight composite materials, improved aircraft engines, environmental-friendly lubricants, Flywheel Energy Storage system, aircraft design, Safer bridges, emission testing, airline wheelchairs, electric car, auto design, methane-powered vehicles, windshear prediction, and aircraft design analysis.

For an in-depth site ...   http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto

HTH 

[Turk]

Yet the USSR had already landed an unmanned craft and obtained lunar samples.

Merely repeating what I'd heard. I think that landing a heavier manned capsule would have required much more technology than an unmanned probe.

But, I agree with Entwood. It is my belief that the lunar landings DID take place and no amount of evidence will persuade those who doubt it.

I think the conspiracy theory (like 9/11) is driven by anti-US emotions, IMHO. 

Yep, I reckon so too, just not as early as Armstrong & Co.
(It's not anti-US anyway, it's anti-Bush as far as the truth about 9/11 goes...but let's not go there again )   

[Turk]

The space programme, and the moon programme gave us many things .. from non-stick pans (teflon) to amino acids (baby food)  to modern trainers (shock absorbent materials) to sunglasses (reactolight lenses) plus many, many more ... a google search will list a great many ... just read this list from one site !!!

Scheduling software, semiconductors, microchips, structural analysis software, air quality monitors, virtual reality, Advanced keyboards, Customer Service Software, Database Management System, Laser Surveying, Aircraft controls, Lightweight Compact Disc, Expert System Software, Microcomputers, Design Graphics, Microwave ovens, enriched baby food, scratch-resistant eyeglass lenses, water purification, portable solid-state coolers/warmers, sports training, athletic shoes, Dustbuster, shock-absorbing helmets, home security systems, smoke detectors, flat panel televisions, high-density batteries, trash compactors, food packaging and freeze-dried technology, cool sportswear, sports bras, hair styling appliances, fogless ski goggles, self-adjusting sunglasses, composite golf clubs, hang gliders, art preservation, quartz crystal timing equipment, microspheres, weather forecasting, forest management, environmental control sensors, wind monitors, telemetry systems, plant research, Hydroponics, fire resistant materials, radiation insulation, Whale identification method, environmental analysis, noise abatement, pollution measuring devices, pollution control devices, smokestack monitor, radioactive leak detector, earthquake prediction system, sewage treatment, energy saving air conditioning, air purification, digital imaging breast biopsy system, breast cancer detection, laser angioplasty, ultrasound skin-damage assesment, human tissue stimulator, cool suit, programmable heart pacemaker, ocular screening, automated urinalysis, medical gas analyzer, voice-controlled wheelchair, Arteriosclerosis detection, ultrasound scanners, automatic insulin pump, portable x-ray device, invisible braces, dental arch wire, palate surgery technology, clean room apparel, implantable heart aid, MRI, bone analyzer, cataract surgery tools, magnetic liquids, welding sensor system, microlasers, magnetic bearings, plasma-sprayed engine coating, interactive multi-media training, high-pressure water stripping, advanced welding torch, Gasoline vapor recovery, self-locking fasteners, machine tool software, laser wire stripper, lubricant coating process, wireless communications, engine coatings, engine design, personal radiation detectors, Remotely-operated robot, personal alarm system, emergency rescue cutters, Lighter-weight firefighter's air tanks, Lightning detectors, self-righting life rafts, Storm warning services (Doppler radar), firefighters' radios, lead poison detection, fire detector, flame detector, corrosion protection coating, protective clothing, and robotic hands, studless winter tires, high-temperature composite materials, laminar airflow air purification, lightweight composite materials, improved aircraft engines, environmental-friendly lubricants, Flywheel Energy Storage system, aircraft design, Safer bridges, emission testing, airline wheelchairs, electric car, auto design, methane-powered vehicles, windshear prediction, and aircraft design analysis.

For an in-depth site ...   http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto

HTH 

Excellent, Cheers 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Well .....  those who believe in the conspiracy theory won't be persuaded by whatever is posted here.. they'll just remain with heads deeply in the sand ..

Forget logic ... it's America .. they must be lieing .... and continuing to lie 40 years on ....... regardless of everything to the contrary.

The rest of us "normal" folks can just remember, and admire, the effort, risk and scientific endeavour that resulted in an amazing journey and some fairly amazing inventions.

My one resounding thought is always .. thank God that "Elf & Safety" had not been invented ... I honestly believe that 99% of all modern inventions would be banned if H&S had existed .... 

Absolutely right Entwood, inspite of all the facts that you, I and a number of others have highlighted on this thread, you will never change their resolve to deny........because it is the USA involved

Yes, we should now just celebrate a tremendous achievement by the USA and never forget that there were many western international scientists, including British ones,  involved. 8-) 8-) 8-)

May we look forward to going again to those new frontiers of space in the near future!

[Debs.]

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May we look forward to going again to those new frontiers of space in the near future!

......"To badly (or is it baldy) go where no-one has gone before!"