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[Squealey]

Whats pay? 

We got a letter last November telling us of the difficult trading standards, no pay rises, blahdy blahdy blah.

We got them every year so, although everybody in the company knew we were not doing particuarly well, noone expected what happened.

In Feb/March they laid off 4 engineers (out of 20) and 4 salesmen, I was one of the engineers!!!! Haven't had a job since, can't get a job, struggling is an understatement what with 8 people living in my house.

Lost my house in May as I couldn't pay the mortgage and other debts were getting on top of me, now living in a rented one, am quite literally about to go bankrupt.

I would give my right nut not to have had a pay rise this year rather than what I ended up getting!!!

I wouldn't mind so much but my company has a history of wasting money. They are far too top heavy, and all those management bods drive £25,000+ motors. As an engineer I had a huge list of circa £19,000 motors. This simply wasn't needed, we could have all had Astra Estates. They even threw a £20,000 xmas party in January (I know in the great scheme of things that wouldn't have saved my job had they cancelled it, but it still bloody annoys me!!!)

Sorry to put a downer on this thread!

Wayne

[Tonka.]

I think it is best to look out for yourself in these hard times.

I finished a nice painting job last Thursday. Driving home I noticed how many hedges needed trimming in our area.

Got home, changed into suitable clothes, grabbed some business cards and my diary.

Knocked on a few doors,

"Good morning, I am Sean and have noticed  your hedge is a little overgrown. As I have a few days clear next week could I book you in for a trim?"

"How much mate?"

"£30, if thats okay, of course I will leave the area clean and tidy for you"

"Okay, thats a deal"

End of the day, down to Screwfix and came home with a petrol hedge trimmer.

Monday the trimmer will pay for it self. Tuesday and Wednesday is profit 

Those established jobs will lead to recommendations and more work 

It is hard to make the leads but they do pay off. I certainly believe in looking after ones self rather than living in the shadow of uncertainty 

[Monza]

With you on that, £25K turned into £13K earler in the year. Those getting a pay rise and moaning thats its "just not enough" make my blood boil, sorry to say    Just lucky I married a teacher with a nice safe salary

[amigov6]

Nothing, diddly squat, not a sausage, but we have work all week even now & money in the bank without fail.
    Could be better.........but for once i'm not complaining.

[Andyb]

i got nothing this year and wont for the next 2 yrs
we are being threatened with going part time
oh and before i say who i work for please dont moan at me 
Royal Mail lol

[Auto Addict]

Don't work and got 5% in April

[TheBoy]

With you on that, £25K turned into £13K earler in the year. Those getting a pay rise and moaning thats its "just not enough" make my blood boil, sorry to say    Just lucky I married a teacher with a nice safe salary

I agree with you. What makes me angry about my company asking us to take paycuts or unpaid leave is that they are jumping on a bandwagon - if they were in trouble, I would happily be flexible, but they are not, and are still very, very profitable.  OK, so profits are going to be lower than last year, so markets insist we reduce costs by a similar amount, which I could accept if wage increases would go up in line with increasing profits in the good years.

Now Mrs TB works for a motor manufacturer, and she is having to be flexible, as said company's worries are well known.

[elite_one]

smaller companies are just trying to survive the current economic climate . larger companies are just using it as an excuse to save money !!! national average figures show that 2% is what most larger companies COULD offer .   we have just received an above average 3.3% rise , after a lot of negotiations ....

[feeutfo]

we are part of a world wide group and american owned, work load is very seasonal just coming up to the busy period, which means since the last busy period we have seen little affect so far.

 Last year we where the only factory to hit and well exceed target. Unfortunately on average the group was under target, result, no pay rise. There has been no mention of profit level. Group profit level has advantages and disadvantages, but in a world wide recession i would rather have no rise today and a job tomorrow.

 Having said that, i get the feeling some are using the recession as an excuse.

[elite_one]

we are part of a world wide group and american owned, work load is very seasonal just coming up to the busy period, which means since the last busy period we have seen little affect so far.

 Last year we where the only factory to hit and well exceed target. Unfortunately on average the group was under target, result, no pay rise. There has been no mention of profit level. Group profit level has advantages and disadvantages, but in a world wide recession i would rather have no rise today and a job tomorrow.

 Having said that, i get the feeling some are using the recession as an excuse.

You're right mate . Group profits are an advantage in many respects especially groups with overseas ties  who are not subject to the high taxes etc imposed in this country . But some may feel peeved that they are hitting targets but not seeing anything coming back their way .

[TheBoy]

we are part of a world wide group and american owned, work load is very seasonal just coming up to the busy period, which means since the last busy period we have seen little affect so far.

 Last year we where the only factory to hit and well exceed target. Unfortunately on average the group was under target, result, no pay rise. There has been no mention of profit level. Group profit level has advantages and disadvantages, but in a world wide recession i would rather have no rise today and a job tomorrow.

 Having said that, i get the feeling some are using the recession as an excuse.

Agreed.  I think those companies still doing relatively well are jumping on all the money saving ideas being necessarily implemented by those in trouble.

[HolyCount]

We have a great money saving pay system .... a few years back management agreed with the unions that employees would rise from the bottom to the top of their pay scales within 6 years.

So now, we all sit at the bottom of the scales and get an almighty pay rise in the last year !!

However, in the current climate, this might get renaged upon (which will really pee off those that are due the meteoric rise next year !!!!  )

[feeutfo]

we are part of a world wide group and american owned, work load is very seasonal just coming up to the busy period, which means since the last busy period we have seen little affect so far.

 Last year we where the only factory to hit and well exceed target. Unfortunately on average the group was under target, result, no pay rise. There has been no mention of profit level. Group profit level has advantages and disadvantages, but in a world wide recession i would rather have no rise today and a job tomorrow.

 Having said that, i get the feeling some are using the recession as an excuse.

You're right mate . Group profits are an advantage in many respects especially groups with overseas ties  who are not subject to the high taxes etc imposed in this country . But some may feel peeved that they are hitting targets but not seeing anything coming back their way .

Exactly that, some wingeing from the factory manager on our behalf fell on partially def ears, but we have to take some security in our position within the group, we will be last to go unless the whole company collapses, poor performing branches have been under the microscope for sometime.

Seems attitude is key. An understanding that any business has to make money and that trust and flexibility from all concerned can see you through.....and no small amount of luck it has to be said.

Our branch replaced a factory in Birmingham, some of the storys defy belief, production time replaced by 40 minute tea breaks 1hour paid lunch breaks that turned into 2 hours, imaginary break downs and extended set up times that left no time to make any money during a normal shift leading to over time at double the normal rate, a run away money pit. Staff refused to change and the place was closed, no suprise there and didnt they moan when out of work.
 Trouble now is we have a big stick mentality from management as a legacy that current staff dont deserve, and that may well cause an issue.

[mars]

Not had a pay-rise for nearly 2 years now. I wouldn't mind so much if my boss didn't keep bragging about stuff he has spent money on (i.e. nights out/hotels, dinner out most evenings etc.) I work bloody hard and I hope he misses me when i'm gone!!!
Rant over

[Jimbob]

next to nowt here, but considering whats gone on where I work, lucky for anything, and to still be there, unlike thousands of others.