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[ScottieMV6]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/south_of_scotland/8197370.stm

Why should anyone show this man any compassion? Why should he be allowed to spend his dying days with his family? His victims weren't allowed the same privilege!

I know one of the first people on the scene that night in Lockerbie and he will never forget it.

Just another example of how feeble, weak and terrified our government is. :-/ :-/

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Normally I'd agree 100% Scottie!

But in this case I'm not so sure.  There are still doubts about whether this man (and there had to be many more involved) or the Country of Libya was either, was involved. 

There were and still are legal doubts, and doubts coming from political observers, that this man had anything to do with it and could well  have been a scapegoat involving the Iranians and Colonel Gaddafi of Libya.

It must never be forgotten that an Iranian airliner was shot down by a United States of America warship with the loss of around 290 lives just a few months before the Lockibie incident.  It has always struck me as just too much of a coincidence that an American airliner was blown up so shortly afterwards.

There is a lot more to this story, as I am sure the security services of both the USA and Britain know, but which cannot be revealed as the evidence is not there.

So in the circumstances let this man go to his death within the next 3 months

[Banjax]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/south_of_scotland/8197370.stm

Why should anyone show this man any compassion? Why should he be allowed to spend his dying days with his family? His victims weren't allowed the same privilege!

I know one of the first people on the scene that night in Lockerbie and he will never forget it.

Just another example of how feeble, weak and terrified our government is. :-/ :-/

i remember it well - my girlfriend at the time was from a village nearby, her dad was one of te first on the scene and its not something you want to deal with - or talk about BUT this is Scotland - a hopefully tolerant, mature and compassionate country - i was proud of the decision my nation made today - we said basically to all those who want to rule by fear or terror, to all those who want an eye for an eye - we stood up and said no - we're bigger than that 


it wasn't a UK government decision by the way, they abdicated any responsibility (in all likelihood they didnt want to get into an awkward position with the US) legally it was crystal clear and the correct decision - he's going to die in the next few months, which is why its the right decision - i'm glad i live in a country where sense and reason rule over bloodthirst and revenge

[Banjax]

Normally I'd agree 100% Scottie!

But in this case I'm not so sure.  There are still doubts about whether this man (and there had to be many more involved) or the Country of Libya was either.  There were and still are legal doubts, and doubts coming from political observers, that this man had anything to do with it and could well  have been a scapegoat involving the Iranians and Colonel Cadafy of Libya.

whether he's guilty or not, the right decision was to release him, but i agree Lizzie, there is a great deal of controversy surrounding his guilt - BBC scotland had a documentary on it a while back that was quite eye-opening

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Normally I'd agree 100% Scottie!

But in this case I'm not so sure.  There are still doubts about whether this man (and there had to be many more involved) or the Country of Libya was either.  There were and still are legal doubts, and doubts coming from political observers, that this man had anything to do with it and could well  have been a scapegoat involving the Iranians and Colonel Cadafy of Libya.

whether he's guilty or not, the right decision was to release him, but i agree Lizzie, there is a great deal of controversy surrounding his guilt - BBC scotland had a documentary on it a while back that was quite eye-opening

Yep!

And who in the United States has been imprisoned for this murder as I touched on in my previous post?:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/flight801/stories/july88crash.htm

Note the dates involved - 3rd July - 1988

The airliner was downed a day before Independence Day, and just 5 months before Lockerbie.

[Dishevelled Den]

Normally I'd agree 100% Scottie!

But in this case I'm not so sure.  There are still doubts about whether this man (and there had to be many more involved) or the Country of Libya was either, was involved.
There were and still are legal doubts, and doubts coming from political observers, that this man had anything to do with it and could well  have been a scapegoat involving the Iranians and Colonel Gaddafi of Libya.

It must never be forgotten that an Iranian airliner was shot down by a United States of America warship with the loss of around 290 lives just a few months before the Lockibie incident.  It has always struck me as just too much of a coincidence that an American airliner was blown up so shortly afterwards.

There is a lot more to this story, as I am sure the security services of both the USA and Britain know, but which cannot be revealed as the evidence is not there.

So in the circumstances let this man go to his death within the next 3 months

I agree with your analysis Ms. Z - and would add that there is a lot more to this matter than apparent.

Details of much of the intelligence pertinent to the origin and subsequent execution of this cowardly operation will never be released such is the labyrinthine nature of international intelligence gathering operations.

Some alternative comments;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8211596.stm

Scottie - When it mattered, I always lobbied for stricter custodial sentences as I believed - and still do - that the term handed down in case tried by a duly constituted court should be served in its entirety.

[razzo]

I think there is alot more to this than meets the eye, but right or wrong its good to see someone in the Scottish legal system who has the balls to stand up to the Americans & not role over like the English legal system would have done.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I think there is alot more to this than meets the eye, but right or wrong its good to see someone in the Scottish legal system who has the balls to stand up to the Americans & not role over like the English legal system would have done.

Indeed, and especially as I am sure the Scottish powers to be can see that the original conviction against this man can now be deemed 'unsafe'

[Debs.]

I suspect that compassion is not the motive force behind this release; a back-door political deal must surely be on the cards.....`such is international Politics.

Back in 1910 the (then) Home Secretary, Winston Churchill memorably said that the civilisation of a society can be judged by the way it treats its prisoners.
Mr. Megrahi has been treated well during his imprisonment; I don`t see that continued humane detention (with excellent British palliative care) would be unacceptable in Winston`s eyes in this case of a convicted mass-murderer; especially so, as this is 'recent history' and there are so many relatives of the victims.

[Dishevelled Den]

Normally I'd agree 100% Scottie!

But in this case I'm not so sure.  There are still doubts about whether this man (and there had to be many more involved) or the Country of Libya was either.  There were and still are legal doubts, and doubts coming from political observers, that this man had anything to do with it and could well  have been a scapegoat involving the Iranians and Colonel Cadafy of Libya.

whether he's guilty or not, the right decision was to release him, but i agree Lizzie, there is a great deal of controversy surrounding his guilt - BBC scotland had a documentary on it a while back that was quite eye-opening

Despite my being a whore of the state bj we are closer in view-point than many would think.

On this matter however I would, with the greatest respect, fundamentally disagree with you.  If the declared tariff is not applied to its fullest extent it makes a mockery of that very judicial process. 

As a result of the sloppy and politically-correct way in which criminal justice is applied in this Nation by gutless, ass-covering weasels, the said system of justice is meaningless in real terms.

[Dishevelled Den]

I suspect that compassion is not the motive force behind this release; a back-door political deal must surely be on the cards.....`such is international Politics.

Back in 1910 the (then) Home Secretary, Winston Churchill memorably said that the civilisation of a society can be judged by the way it treats its prisoners.
Mr. Megrahi has been treated well during his imprisonment; I don`t see that continued humane detention (with excellent British palliative care) would be unacceptable in Winston`s eyes in this case of a convicted mass-murderer; especially so, as this is 'recent history' and there are so many relatives of the victims.

In one, Kenny MacAskill would not have had the necessary grasp of the international ramifications of this decision.

I would have thought that clear direction was given by Whitehall on the back of finely choreographed - but affirmative - objections by the US State Department.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Normally I'd agree 100% Scottie!

But in this case I'm not so sure.  There are still doubts about whether this man (and there had to be many more involved) or the Country of Libya was either.  There were and still are legal doubts, and doubts coming from political observers, that this man had anything to do with it and could well  have been a scapegoat involving the Iranians and Colonel Cadafy of Libya.

whether he's guilty or not, the right decision was to release him, but i agree Lizzie, there is a great deal of controversy surrounding his guilt - BBC scotland had a documentary on it a while back that was quite eye-opening

Despite my being a whore of the state bj we are closer in view-point than many would think.

On this matter however I would, with the greatest respect, fundamentally disagree with you.  If the declared tariff is not applied to its fullest extent it makes a mockery of that very judicial process. 

As a result of the sloppy and politically-correct way in which criminal justice is applied in this Nation by gutless, ass-covering weasels, the said system of justice is meaningless in real terms.

The mockery started when this man was tried, leading to an unsafe conviction.  There was no justice here, but a distortion of it to suit political requirements at the time.

When US personnel are convicted for the murder of 290 Iranians, and the true perpetrators of Lockerbie are convicted then we will have true justice that is honourable.

Now we all know that is never going to happen, so let this (scapegoat) go back to his family for the last time to die "within 3 months".   If you are a Christain you will recognise that the highest power of all, God, will act out true justice to all found guilty of all crimes against humanity.

[Dishevelled Den]

The mockery started when this man was tried, leading to an unsafe conviction.  There was no justice here, but a distortion of it to suit political requirements at the time.

When US personnel are convicted for the murder of 290 Iranians, and the true perpetrators of Lockerbie are convicted then we will have true justice that is honourable.

Now we all know that is never going to happen, so let this (scapegoat) go back to his family for the last time to die "within 3 months".   If you are a Christain you will recognise that the highest power of all, God, will act out true justice to all found guilty of all crimes against humanity.

A man offered up by his own people Ms Z.  The nature of the convoluted deal done to placate the US in the first instance is largely irrelevant to the central thrust of my comments regarding the effective weight of duly applied judicial decisions.

Why go through such a process, knowing that the facts of the matter were tenuous, to say the least, and pervert the decision of the extraordinary court hearing by rendering its finding in this way.

I suspect that Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi was aware of the depth of this matter and co-operated in the execution of the judicial process.

The Lord might well act in mysterious ways Ms Z, but those on this earthly plane may need a more tangible form of justice.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

The mockery started when this man was tried, leading to an unsafe conviction.  There was no justice here, but a distortion of it to suit political requirements at the time.

When US personnel are convicted for the murder of 290 Iranians, and the true perpetrators of Lockerbie are convicted then we will have true justice that is honourable.

Now we all know that is never going to happen, so let this (scapegoat) go back to his family for the last time to die "within 3 months".   If you are a Christain you will recognise that the highest power of all, God, will act out true justice to all found guilty of all crimes against humanity.

A man offered up by his own people Ms Z.  The relevance of the convoluted deal done to placate the US in the first instance is largely irrelevant to the central thrust of my comments regarding the effective weight of duly applied judicial decisions.

Why go through such a process, knowing that the facts of the matter were tenuous, to say the least, and pervert the decision of the extraordinary court hearing by rendering its finding in this way.

I suspect that Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi was aware of the depth of this matter and co-operated in the execution of the judicial process.

The Lord might well act in mysterious ways Ms Z, but those on this plane may need a more tangible form of justice.

I think those on both planes have had their justice when entering God's Kingdom   No, it is the relatives that have the understandable problem in finding blood for blood justice.  Unfortunately that will not happen now, and they should look towards their governments to find the political reasons as to why not and what happened in the first instance.

As I think we  have agreed the empire of the USA is on one side, and Iran on the other, with Libya involved, probably very willingly, as they wanted revenge for the attacks on their country by USAF F111's from British bases in 1986.  Libya was no friend of the west / USA / Britain, and would have no doubt had strong connections then with other anti western countries like Iran / Syria / and of course the USSR.

Why this one man was allowed to take the rap when so much of the evidence available was tenuous, probably in any other court not permissible and speculative has always confirmed for me high state involvement, with no doubt MI6 and especially CIA involvement from the start.  This was not a simple act of terrorism that killed the 270+ at Lockerbie, but state acts of war that reaped this revenge attack by alien nations.  It was not an act of one man, but 'soldiers' of an enemy nation, as any bombing act is during a war between states.

I just wish I could say that there will never be another Lockerbie, Strait of Hormuz, or 9/11 airplane 'bombing', but due to the current political situation, how can this be guaranteed?   More innocent lives will be lost in  acts of war, as in the case of Lockerbie

[albitz]

If you read this brillliant article by Richard Littlejohn about Mandelson,you may well be left with the suspicion that he went on holiday with Gaddafis son and when he got back he rang up Scotland and told them to let the lockerbie bomber out.
He was convicted of the worst terrorist atrocity the UK has ever seen and should have spent the rest of his life in prison.If his conviction was unsafe,it should have been proven so at appeal,that is due process.What happened today makes a mockery of justice,agin.

EDIT.It was not an act of war between two warring countries,it was purely an act of terrorism ,they are far from the same thing.Apart from anything else,rules of engagement in war forbid the deliberate targetting of innocent civilians.The only targets in this act were innocent civilians.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1207265/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Screaming-Lord-Mandys-nauseating-flying-circus.html