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[albitz]

I dont think Boris is as stupid as he looks.

[Dishevelled Den]

So New Labour may well be finished...................but consider this.
Apparently..................fourteen of David Camerons front bench spokesmen............are Old Etonians.....and another three work in his private office.
some of these inept.....incompetent.......pompous.....inbred....Tory buffoons......date back as far as the Thatcher era. :-/ :-/ :-/
Now I'am not a big fan of New Labour..(they have flattered to deceive)...............but I fail to see how a gathering of "sore bottomed" public school boys. ...could be of any help to the average man in the street......................Unless they are wealthy ......of course.

This is an interesting....if lengthy read

ftp://http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-camerons-band-of-etonian-brothers-449043.html

Opti, whilst I find your comments in general to considered, balanced and entertaining, I'm afraid that the above seems rather too judgemental in the absence of definitive evidence.

These comments are quite generalised and unfortunately appear to be based on the prejudice of a system you’re not quite comfortable with.

The Public school system, inter alia, is an essential element of this nation’s establishment, an element that has helped us to maintain our national identity through the generations and many challenging times. To decry the individuals who have been fortunate enough to have attended such establishments as ‘sore bottomed inbreeds’ is crass to say the least.

This nation needs an establishment to balance the shortcomings and cyclical nature of the political system.  Public schools, the Great universities, the Security Services, the Senior Civil Service – at least at one time – along with other groups provide this continuity.  I, as part of this establishment, consider my contribution along with that of many others, to have been worthwhile and necessary to maintain who we are as a people, free and intelligent enough to decide whether or nor we are being manipulated by a soulless and incestuous political class.

In closing I can assure you that I’m not inbred nor is my bottom experiencing any level of discomfort whatever.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

So New Labour may well be finished...................but consider this.
Apparently..................fourteen of David Camerons front bench spokesmen............are Old Etonians.....and another three work in his private office.
some of these inept.....incompetent.......pompous.....inbred....Tory buffoons......date back as far as the Thatcher era. :-/ :-/ :-/
Now I'am not a big fan of New Labour..(they have flattered to deceive)...............but I fail to see how a gathering of "sore bottomed" public school boys. ...could be of any help to the average man in the street......................Unless they are wealthy ......of course.

This is an interesting....if lengthy read

ftp://http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-camerons-band-of-etonian-brothers-449043.html

Opti, whilst I find your comments in general to considered, balanced and entertaining, I'm afraid that the above seems rather too judgemental in the absence of definitive evidence.

These comments are quite generalised and unfortunately seem to be based on the prejudice of a system you’re not quite comfortable with.

The Public school system, inter alia, is an essential element of this nation’s establishment, an element that has helped us to maintain our national identity through the generations and many challenging times. To decry the individuals who have been fortunate enough to have attended such establishments as ‘sore bottomed inbreeds’ is crass to say the least.

This nation needs an establishment to balance the shortcomings and cyclical nature of the political system.  Public schools, the Great universities, the Security Services, the Senior Civil Service – at least at one time – along with other groups provide this continuity.  I, as part of this establishment, consider my contribution along with that of many others, to have been worthwhile and necessary to maintain who we are as a people, free and intelligent enough to decide whether or nor we are being manipulated by a soulless and incestuous political class.

In closing I can assure you that I’m not inbred nor is my bottom experiencing any level of discomfort whatever.

Yes ................that seems like fair comment Zulu...As a mere grammar school boy .....with no inherent breeding (thank god).........I .....like many people........ feel that these anachronistic.....outdated institutions....should be of historical interest only.....and have no place in the world of today.
P.S.Zulu.....I 'am glad that your rear end..........seems to have escaped the worst excesses......of the public school system.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Sorry Optimist, but to this tread I will repeat (to save typing it all again!!) what I stated yesterday on this subject:


"To start with Macmillan and Churchill were not born as great politicians and leaders of our country, but by operating in those circles developed as such.  Cameron could well do the same, as Thatcher indeed did.  Unknown, to well known , then greatness, is a development that no one can predict, in fact many predicted Churchill would be a disaster, and he came close to being so, but once the country needed him.......the rest his history.

As for "Eton toffs", Churchill went to Harrow, Macmillan to Eton as did Cameron.   On the playing fields of those illustrious public schools future British victories and greatness were won.  Cameron could, it is hoped, match the virtues gained at Eton and also become a great British leader.

So there is nothing wrong in our leaders being those that have gained from the best education in the world; what is wrong is that more children cannot enjoy such privilege! "

I would also add that you have not fully digested the Eton web site Optimist, and in particular those numerous old Etonians that have given back bone and greatness to Great Britain:
http://www.etoncollege.com/FamousOEs.aspx

In regards to Churchill he was actually educated at Harrow, and was a liberal / conservative, following the old traditions of Whigs and Tories who in the nineteenth century were virtually one and the same.  Although liberalism, under David Lloyd George (an old Etonian!), in the early twentieth century was opposite the Conservaties, Churchill a Conservative, had policies as did a number of Tories that were alligned with the Liberals.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I seem to be getting.........a right good kicking here....from all the" Eton lovers".... ......Still it makes for an interesting thread.
As a member of the "great unwashed" proletariat....I shall battle on.

[Dishevelled Den]

Yes ................that seems like fair comment Zulu...As a mere grammar school boy .....with no inherent breeding (thank god).........I .....like many people........ feel that these anachronistic.....outdated institutions....should be of historical interest only.....and have no place in the world of today.
P.S.Zulu.....I 'am glad that your rear end..........seems to have escaped the worst excesses......of the public school system.

   we may not agree in this matter Opti but I'm gratified to learn of your concern for the general health of my bottom

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I seem to be getting.........a right good kicking here....from all the" Eton lovers".... ......Still it makes for an interesting thread.
As a member of the "great unwashed" proletariat....I shall battle on.

There you go then Optimist, something to help you on your battle march:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8VON8bIvEw[/media]

 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Thanks Lizzie.......Can't stand HH though.
 

[Dishevelled Den]

Thanks Lizzie.......Can't stand HH though.
 

I find her quite fetching I have to say

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Thanks Lizzie.......Can't stand HH though.
 

I find her quite fetching I have to say

You will find her now on BBC's Question Time as I speak!

[Nickbat]

Beware of Old Etonians?

How about beware of ........

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLqLAqssQNA&feature=player_embedded[/media]

I'm saying nothing 

 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Thanks Lizzie.......Can't stand HH though.
 

I find her quite fetching I have to say

If we are talking Labour Party babes Zulu......then 30 minutes with Caroline Flint.....would be acceptable.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Beware of Old Etonians?

How about beware of ........

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLqLAqssQNA&feature=player_embedded[/media]

I'm saying nothing 

 

Now that is weird.........Freemason?.

[albitz]

I seem to be getting.........a right good kicking here....from all the" Eton lovers".... ......Still it makes for an interesting thread.
As a member of the "great unwashed" proletariat....I shall battle on.

There you go then Optimist, something to help you on your battle march:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8VON8bIvEw[/media]

 

I believe GB has rewritten the lyrics to that song........

The working class
can kiss my ass
Ive got old tony,s job at last.

[Banjax]

if i can stick up for Optimist here - on previous posts i've been shot down for suggesting that DC surrounds himself with Old Etonians, now, lets leave aside class issues, wealth issues, the priviledged, pampered and sheltered existence i believe anyone from Eton has experienced - leave that to one side OK.
What grates is that 14 members from one school? i dont care if its an inner city comprehensive or its Eton - it shows a shocking lack of diversity on DC's part, is he unable to trust someone not of his ilk? Shows a real lack of judgement if you ask me, its deeply unrepresentative of the UK, maybe it'll be his downfall - DC has always struck me as a political coward, by surrounding himself in a nice, cosy Old Etonian blanket it looks like he's afraid to tackle any real issues or have anyone outside his narrow worldview to disagree with him.
Thats what it looks like to me anyway