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[Nickbat]

you're boring me Nickbat 

only joking - you're never dull i'll say that

would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?

now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism!

flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely

If you're talking about man-made catastrophic climate change then you're flat wrong. The climate changes naturally, and has done since the dawn of time.

One of the key issues is the residence time of CO2 in the atmosphere. Most scientific studies have shown it to be below 10 years. The IPCC choose to think it's 100 years. Why would that be, I wonder? 

Don't believe me?

Check it here:
http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2009/09/ipcc-outlier-as-usual.html

Incidentally, I have known about this for a long time. It's not just something I picked up by accident on the web.

[Nickbat]

Lizzie, thanks for your kind words and support! 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

you're boring me Nickbat 

only joking - you're never dull i'll say that

would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?

now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism!

flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely

Nickbat.....................along with .....Lizzie.......BJ.......Zulu ....and a few others I find your posts informed and interesting...(It is just the other 6243 other OOF members who find them boring )

I agree with BJ on this one.............I would say that the science is now proven (beyond reasonable doubt)

The idea that (man made) global warming.... climate change .......is just the fevered imagination of a few sandal wearing....anti-republican lefties.......is a little like saying that Aristotles view of the universe ......was correct after all
 

[Dishevelled Den]

you're boring me Nickbat 

only joking - you're never dull i'll say that

would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?

now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism!

flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely

Nickbat.....................along with .....Lizzie.......BJ.......Zulu ....and a few others I find your posts informed and interesting...(It is just the other 6243 other OOF members who find them boring )

I agree with BJ on this one.............I would say that the science is now proven (beyond reasonable doubt)

The idea that (man made) global warming.... climate change .......is just the fevered imagination of a few sandal wearing....anti-republican lefties.......is a little like saying that Aristotles view of the universe ......was correct after all
 

I would say that the science is now proven (beyond reasonable doubt)


....science is a constantly changing discipline Optio where 'proof' is a transient notion.  Proof as it stands, on any subject, will always be ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ until the results of the next research project.


The idea that (man made) global warming.... climate change .......is just the fevered imagination of a few sandal wearing....anti-republican lefties..


I wouldn't suggest that at all, climate change does exist and human activity has impinged on the planetary climate balance to some extent without doubt, however to suggest that this change is a sole result of human activity and that we can fundamentally alter its effects, is flawed reasoning.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

you're boring me Nickbat 

only joking - you're never dull i'll say that

would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?

now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism!

flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely

Nickbat.....................along with .....Lizzie.......BJ.......Zulu ....and a few others I find your posts informed and interesting...(It is just the other 6243 other OOF members who find them boring )

I agree with BJ on this one.............I would say that the science is now proven (beyond reasonable doubt)

The idea that (man made) global warming.... climate change .......is just the fevered imagination of a few sandal wearing....anti-republican lefties.......is a little like saying that Aristotles view of the universe ......was correct after all
 

I would say that the science is now proven (beyond reasonable doubt)


....science is a constantly changing discipline Optio where 'proof' is a transient notion.  Proof as it stands, on any subject, will always be ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ until the results of the next research project.


The idea that (man made) global warming.... climate change .......is just the fevered imagination of a few sandal wearing....anti-republican lefties..


I wouldn't suggest that at all, climate change does exist and human activity has impinged on the planetary climate balance to some extent without doubt, however to suggest that this change is a sole result of human activity and that we can fundamentally alter its effects, is flawed reasoning.

Yep.....As Nickbat has suggested............."Mother Earth"................has .....for millons/billions of years had it's own natural .....warming/cooling periods.
But since the industrial revolution we have been adding....more co2......than perhaps even "mother Earth can deal with........We should not be complacent.

[Nickbat]

you're boring me Nickbat 

only joking - you're never dull i'll say that

would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?

now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism!

flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely

Nickbat.....................along with .....Lizzie.......BJ.......Zulu ....and a few others I find your posts informed and interesting...(It is just the other 6243 other OOF members who find them boring )

I agree with BJ on this one.............I would say that the science is now proven (beyond reasonable doubt)

The idea that (man made) global warming.... climate change .......is just the fevered imagination of a few sandal wearing....anti-republican lefties.......is a little like saying that Aristotles view of the universe ......was correct after all
 

No, a thousand times no. Is NOT proven!.

If it is proven:

Why would Vincent Gray, an Expert Reviewer for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change for eighteen years say:

"The [IPCC] science is selected, distorted, and occasionally fabricated to support this view, and to downplay or marginalise any other climate influences."

...and why would he call climate models worthless?

http://www.theclimatescam.com/2008/04/22/the-climate-models-are-worthless-interview-with-dr-vincent-gray/

Why then does Will Alexander, Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, say?

“I believe that global warming is the biggest scientific scam ever. There is no evidence to prove that the current climate variations are not a natural cycle.”

http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=1724

Why then does Tim Patterson, a paleoclimatologist from the department of Earth sciences, Carleton University Ottawa, say?

"Climate change is not caused by humans, but by natural forces"

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2008/11/17/7433876-sun.html

Why then does Dr. James Koermer, a meteorology professor at Plymouth State University say:

"...while humans do have an impact on the climate, it is minimal compared to natural phenomena."

http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081120/GJNEWS02/711203981/-1/CITNEWS08

and why does Dennis Hollars, who holds a doctorate in astrophysics from New Mexico State University, say?:

"What I'd do with the IPCC report is to put it in the trash can because that's all it's worth,"

http://www.thespartandaily.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticlePrinterFriendly&uStory_id=a7e928ef-4cf6-404f-ab08-ffbe8f8058b1

I have loads more, but I hope that this should prompt you to rethink your view that the science is settled.  

[Dishevelled Den]

Yep.....As Nickbat has suggested............."Mother Earth"................has .....for millons/billions of years had it's own natural .....warming/cooling periods.
But since the industrial revolution we have been adding....more co2......than perhaps even "mother Earth can deal with........We should not be complacent.

...that is a very important point Optio, we ignore this matter at our peril but it must be considered from the perspective of balance and not fervour.

There is no sense at all in being complacent with whatever resources remain for our use - to be so is to be careless and unthinking.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

you're boring me Nickbat 

only joking - you're never dull i'll say that

would you have kids taught theres no such thing as climate change? wouldn't that be propaganda then? they're the generation that will be dealing with it, not us so it would seem to me the worst kind of hypocrisy if we don't teach our kids what we have learned whats the point of education?

now the overwhelming weight of science is behind climate change so do you go with the major accepted view or do you let a small bunch of cranks set the curriculum? what next evolution is a myth - lets teach creationism!

flat earthers and scientology should get a look in too, surely

Nickbat.....................along with .....Lizzie.......BJ.......Zulu ....and a few others I find your posts informed and interesting...(It is just the other 6243 other OOF members who find them boring )

I agree with BJ on this one.............I would say that the science is now proven (beyond reasonable doubt)

The idea that (man made) global warming.... climate change .......is just the fevered imagination of a few sandal wearing....anti-republican lefties.......is a little like saying that Aristotles view of the universe ......was correct after all
 

No, a thousand times no. Is NOT proven!.

If it is proven:

Why would Vincent Gray, an Expert Reviewer for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change for eighteen years say:

"The [IPCC] science is selected, distorted, and occasionally fabricated to support this view, and to downplay or marginalise any other climate influences."

...and why would he call climate models worthless?

http://www.theclimatescam.com/2008/04/22/the-climate-models-are-worthless-interview-with-dr-vincent-gray/

Why then does Will Alexander, Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, say?

“I believe that global warming is the biggest scientific scam ever. There is no evidence to prove that the current climate variations are not a natural cycle.”

http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=1724

Why then does Tim Patterson, a paleoclimatologist from the department of Earth sciences, Carleton University Ottawa, say?

"Climate change is not caused by humans, but by natural forces"

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2008/11/17/7433876-sun.html

Why then does Dr. James Koermer, a meteorology professor at Plymouth State University say:

"...while humans do have an impact on the climate, it is minimal compared to natural phenomena."

http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081120/GJNEWS02/711203981/-1/CITNEWS08

and why does Dennis Hollars, who holds a doctorate in astrophysics from New Mexico State University, say?:

"What I'd do with the IPCC report is to put it in the trash can because that's all it's worth,"

http://www.thespartandaily.com/home/index.cfm?event=displayArticlePrinterFriendly&uStory_id=a7e928ef-4cf6-404f-ab08-ffbe8f8058b1

I have loads more, but I hope that this should prompt you to rethink your view that the science is settled.  

You disagree.............I'am shocked 

[Nickbat]

Today's news: 

"In a detailed study of the mechanisms and effects of water vapor, to be published in Reviews of Geophysics, Tapio Schneider and Xavier Levine of the California Institute of Technology, and Paul A. O’Gorman of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, have expanded our knowledge of water's role in climate regulation while showing just how poorly understood the Earth climate system really is...."

"If something as seemingly simple as water vapor can have such complex and bewildering impacts on Earth's climate why does the IPCC and the climate crisis crowd continue to insist that all fault lies with CO2? It could be that even they realize that blaming global warming on water vapor would give them no political leverage."

http://www.theresilientearth.com/?q=content/climate-models-blown-away-water-vapor

AND

"..what is really curious is that the 9-year change in radiative forcing (warming influence) of the system seen in the last two figures is at least TWICE that expected from the carbon dioxide component alone, and yet essentially no warming has occurred over that period (see first illustration above). How could this be, if the climate system is as sensitive as the IPCC claims it to be?[/b]"

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/09/the-2007-2008-global-cooling-event-evidence-for-clouds-as-the-cause/

Yep, sure looks like the science is settled. 

[Nickbat]

and also in today's news:

"BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Aviation and shipping should cut their respective carbon dioxide emissions to 10 and 20 percent below 2005 levels over the next decade, the European Union is likely to propose at global climate talks this week.

EU diplomats said the cuts might be linked to a tax on fuel to generate billions of dollars of revenues to help poor countries cope with climate change -- a key contribution to finding a global climate deal by December."

http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-BusinessofGreen/idUSTRE58Q0YS20090927?sp=true

Global redistribution of wealth based on junk science?

Nah! Must be my imagination.     

[SJKOO01]

Mother-nature will decide on what happens.

So as guests of the planet we should respect our host.

And if nature indicates that human kind will be wiped out by nature itself or it own self-deluding, then so be it.

Clocks ticking.......... And to be honest, I couldn't give a S**t if the human race time is up.   We've come about as far as we can on the evolutional table.  Find it strange that the table shows human race changing so many times on the scale of time, then for millions of years we've been the same, everything has it's day.  And everything has a time when it has to die - natural extintion !.

Tick... tick.... tick..  :exclamation

[Varche]

Back to the original topic. Great example of dumbing down and king has got no clothes on.

More and more kids get better and better school results each year. Everyone involved pats themselves on the back (and gets paid more money) for doing such a great job. Yet in my experience most cannot spell or do mental maths when they leave skool.

If you do have bright kids in school and they can choose to learn one or more languages get them to learn Chinese and Spanish in that order. The world would then be their oyster. Forget French and German.

V 

[Richie London]

Thanks to those who have supported my postings. 

It's good to know that I'm not boring you all!!

i read them nick with interest, i just dont like putting my political views on public display as i would probably cause offence to members on here. as previous threads have caused so many rows with disagreements.