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[Dishevelled Den]

moi? 

i'm keeping my powder dry for Mr Cameron on Friday - this was just a shot across the bows 

...can I look forward to constructive comments based on relevant facts other than class bashing bj

[Entwood]

So, in the Optimist/Bannjaax world, if you happen to have been born into a monied and titled family, you would be banned from serving in government or having an opinion as to the way the economic situation should be handled.

Just pathetic class hatred. Graphically illustrated by the unnecessary use of his rare middle name, as if that makes him a worse person.

I don't happen to agree with all his ideas on the economy, but this sort of attack on his background is just odious.   

Thank you for your kind supportive words Nickbat.
We need intelligent.....articulate......and erudite individuals to form the next government...
such people can be found in our state schools and universities.....normal people.
The very idea .....that in 2009 we need to get 75%(if we get as seems likely a Conservative government) of our front bench politicians from some insular ......outdated ........institution such as Eton(where it is still 1957).....is quite frankly laughable.
We live in a diverse ....ever changing society......Our government needs to reflect this.

Now look what you have started Bannjaxx!!!!!!!!

Now I wouldn't of dream't of doing such a controversial thread!!

 

Bloody stirrer!  

moi? 

i'm keeping my powder dry for Mr Cameron on Friday - this was just a shot across the bows 

So .. before he even speaks you have already decided on your course of action  

Seems to show where and what you stand for IMHO  ...

How about a complete break from tradition .. ??

Actually listen to, inwardly digest, amd above all THINK about what he actually says .. rather than repeating edited TV/Newspaper pap .... or would that be too much to ask .... some degree of independent thought and analysis ?

[Banjax]

So the idea of an intelligent, well educated person acting responsibly is now seen as an odious crime

Perhaps the "Ay lad, canst thou hear me at back, wilst thou fetch us a pint" type is more suiting to some ??

Explains a lot as to why/how the country is in such a mess I suppose ... politics of envy ... so lets vote in the thickest idiots instead.... 

theres this horrendous myth perpetuated that because you're rich and have had the benefit of public education that you're somehow more intelligent - disproved by Princess Di of course - best schools money could by and thick as two short planks she was 

[Banjax]

So, in the Optimist/Bannjaax world, if you happen to have been born into a monied and titled family, you would be banned from serving in government or having an opinion as to the way the economic situation should be handled.

Just pathetic class hatred. Graphically illustrated by the unnecessary use of his rare middle name, as if that makes him a worse person.

I don't happen to agree with all his ideas on the economy, but this sort of attack on his background is just odious.   

Thank you for your kind supportive words Nickbat.
We need intelligent.....articulate......and erudite individuals to form the next government...
such people can be found in our state schools and universities.....normal people.
The very idea .....that in 2009 we need to get 75%(if we get as seems likely a Conservative government) of our front bench politicians from some insular ......outdated ........institution such as Eton(where it is still 1957).....is quite frankly laughable.
We live in a diverse ....ever changing society......Our government needs to reflect this.

Now look what you have started Bannjaxx!!!!!!!!

Now I wouldn't of dream't of doing such a controversial thread!!

 

Bloody stirrer!  

moi? 

i'm keeping my powder dry for Mr Cameron on Friday - this was just a shot across the bows 

So .. before he even speaks you have already decided on your course of action  

Seems to show where and what you stand for IMHO  ...

How about a complete break from tradition .. ??

Actually listen to, inwardly digest, amd above all THINK about what he actually says .. rather than repeating edited TV/Newspaper pap .... or would that be too much to ask .... some degree of independent thought and analysis ?

interesting theory....i haven't had a chance to look at a paper today tho  :-/

i'm sure DC will say all the right things - but theres appears to be some priority with getting cheap and easy votes by targetting society's poorest (and typically non-voters), while gently warning their mates in the city to behave - or we'll nudge up a tax on them (which any half decent corporate accountant would avoid anyway) but i'll wait on old worm-face and see how much his snake oil costs 

[Dishevelled Den]

So the idea of an intelligent, well educated person acting responsibly is now seen as an odious crime

Perhaps the "Ay lad, canst thou hear me at back, wilst thou fetch us a pint" type is more suiting to some ??

Explains a lot as to why/how the country is in such a mess I suppose ... politics of envy ... so lets vote in the thickest idiots instead.... 

theres this horrendous myth perpetuated that because you're rich and have had the benefit of public education that you're somehow more intelligent - disproved by Princess Di of course - best schools money could by and thick as two short planks she was 

...by whom bj, seems to me that this is the position taken by those who would envy such people and their circumstances

[Lizzie_Zoom]

it doesn,t help a mps cause when seen to be quoffing a drink that costs equivalent to what some folks may be expected to live on for two weeks +
 
   

  what drink is that then? :-/ :-/ :-/

"...a drink that costs equivalent to what some folks may be expected to live on for two weeks."

Champagne: £14.25 a bottle at Tesco.

 

Well I'm a Conservative and I live on that (from Sainsbury's!!) having four bottles a day

What else does one do then?  Doesn't everyone live on Champagne my dear fellows?

Were you Marie Antoinette.....in a previous life .....by any chance Lizzie...........Let them eat cake.

Oh yes indeed, although actually I never said that in my previous life; it was all a propanda 'lie', which was probably put out and about by the British!!

[Banjax]

So, in the Optimist/Bannjaax world, if you happen to have been born into a monied and titled family, you would be banned from serving in government or having an opinion as to the way the economic situation should be handled.

Just pathetic class hatred. Graphically illustrated by the unnecessary use of his rare middle name, as if that makes him a worse person.

I don't happen to agree with all his ideas on the economy, but this sort of attack on his background is just odious.   

his rare middle name "Gideon" was actually his first name which he dropped before seeking election as he felt (rightly) that a "George" would garner more votes than a "Gideon"

its not the name, its the fact that these old etonians are desperately falling over themselves to mask their privileged past to get into power. the glorious exception is Boris Johnson who doesn't try to hide his roots, is witty, intelligent, honest and very engaging! 

[Dishevelled Den]

interesting theory....i haven't had a chance to look at a paper today tho  :-/

i'm sure DC will say all the right things - but theres appears to be some priority with getting cheap and easy votes by targetting society's poorest (and typically non-voters), while gently warning their mates in the city to behave - or we'll nudge up a tax on them (which any half decent corporate accountant would avoid anyway) but i'll wait on old worm-face and see how much his snake oil costs 

....where is the theory bj, surely someone who wishes to be 'fair and balanced' - your words from an earlier post - would want to be fully acquainted with relevant facts before coming to well considered conclusions rather than those seemingly based on naked class prejudice :-/ :-/

[Banjax]

interesting theory....i haven't had a chance to look at a paper today tho  :-/

i'm sure DC will say all the right things - but theres appears to be some priority with getting cheap and easy votes by targetting society's poorest (and typically non-voters), while gently warning their mates in the city to behave - or we'll nudge up a tax on them (which any half decent corporate accountant would avoid anyway) but i'll wait on old worm-face and see how much his snake oil costs 

....where is the theory bj, surely someone who wishes to be 'fair and balanced' - your words from an earlier post - would want to be fully acquainted with relevant facts before coming to well considered conclusions rather than those seemingly based on naked class prejudice :-/ :-/

referring to entwoods theory that i was taking my opinion from the papers without listening to what Gideon George was saying 

[Banjax]

interesting theory....i haven't had a chance to look at a paper today tho  :-/

i'm sure DC will say all the right things - but theres appears to be some priority with getting cheap and easy votes by targetting society's poorest (and typically non-voters), while gently warning their mates in the city to behave - or we'll nudge up a tax on them (which any half decent corporate accountant would avoid anyway) but i'll wait on old worm-face and see how much his snake oil costs 

....where is the theory bj, surely someone who wishes to be 'fair and balanced' - your words from an earlier post - would want to be fully acquainted with relevant facts before coming to well considered conclusions rather than those seemingly based on naked class prejudice :-/ :-/

too right! whats wrong with a little class prejudice? i'd rather vote for the clued up than the clueless - as this seems unlikely, i'll base my decision on prejudice - i know how much the tories will look after their own, they always have and they always will 

[Banjax]

it doesn,t help a mps cause when seen to be quoffing a drink that costs equivalent to what some folks may be expected to live on for two weeks +
 
   

  what drink is that then? :-/ :-/ :-/

"...a drink that costs equivalent to what some folks may be expected to live on for two weeks."

Champagne: £14.25 a bottle at Tesco.

 

Well I'm a Conservative and I live on that (from Sainsbury's!!) having four bottles a day

What else does one do then?  Doesn't everyone live on Champagne my dear fellows?

Were you Marie Antoinette.....in a previous life .....by any chance Lizzie...........Let them eat cake.

Oh yes indeed, although actually I never said that in my previous life; it was all a propanda 'lie', which was probably put out and about by the British!!

i'm fuelled by champagne (that cheap cava gives me indigestion)

[HolyCount]

So, in the Optimist/Bannjaax world, if you happen to have been born into a monied and titled family, you would be banned from serving in government or having an opinion as to the way the economic situation should be handled.

Just pathetic class hatred. Graphically illustrated by the unnecessary use of his rare middle name, as if that makes him a worse person.

I don't happen to agree with all his ideas on the economy, but this sort of attack on his background is just odious.   

His politics may be suspect and he might, indeed, be a pillock --- but being born to money isn't his fault, not is being from a titled family.  Incidentally the two do not always go together !!!!

Bottom line is that politicians of all colours will be lying through their teeth, trying to say what they hope we want to hear and delivering b. all if elected 

[Dishevelled Den]

interesting theory....i haven't had a chance to look at a paper today tho  :-/

i'm sure DC will say all the right things - but theres appears to be some priority with getting cheap and easy votes by targetting society's poorest (and typically non-voters), while gently warning their mates in the city to behave - or we'll nudge up a tax on them (which any half decent corporate accountant would avoid anyway) but i'll wait on old worm-face and see how much his snake oil costs 

....where is the theory bj, surely someone who wishes to be 'fair and balanced' - your words from an earlier post - would want to be fully acquainted with relevant facts before coming to well considered conclusions rather than those seemingly based on naked class prejudice :-/ :-/

referring to entwoods theory that i was taking my opinion from the papers without listening to what Gideon George was saying 

...I thought Entwood's comments referred to what you said concerning DC and whatever comments he would be making on Friday :-/ :-/

[Dishevelled Den]

interesting theory....i haven't had a chance to look at a paper today tho  :-/

i'm sure DC will say all the right things - but theres appears to be some priority with getting cheap and easy votes by targetting society's poorest (and typically non-voters), while gently warning their mates in the city to behave - or we'll nudge up a tax on them (which any half decent corporate accountant would avoid anyway) but i'll wait on old worm-face and see how much his snake oil costs 

....where is the theory bj, surely someone who wishes to be 'fair and balanced' - your words from an earlier post - would want to be fully acquainted with relevant facts before coming to well considered conclusions rather than those seemingly based on naked class prejudice :-/ :-/

too right! whats wrong with a little class prejudice? i'd rather vote for the clued up than the clueless - as this seems unlikely, i'll base my decision on prejudice - i know how much the tories will look after their own, they always have and they always will 

too right! whats wrong with a little class prejudice

...a little please bj


i know how much the tories will look after their own, they always have and they always will

...now that's a lot of class prejudice in my view

[Banjax]

So the idea of an intelligent, well educated person acting responsibly is now seen as an odious crime

Perhaps the "Ay lad, canst thou hear me at back, wilst thou fetch us a pint" type is more suiting to some ??

Explains a lot as to why/how the country is in such a mess I suppose ... politics of envy ... so lets vote in the thickest idiots instead.... 

theres this horrendous myth perpetuated that because you're rich and have had the benefit of public education that you're somehow more intelligent - disproved by Princess Di of course - best schools money could by and thick as two short planks she was 

...by whom bj, seems to me that this is the position taken by those who would envy such people and their circumstances

put politics aside Zulu - you're a decent, intelligent, compassionate person in my view...now - doesn't it grate just a little that these landed gentry who've never had to work a day in their lives if they didn't want to have the temerity to take money off someone who gets a few quid a week on benefits (so what if some are cheating - the amount they steal wouldn't make a dent in what we gave to the banks)? pay freezes for civil servants?

that doesn't grate - just a little? you think any of these old etonians have worried about a bill dropping through the letter box?