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[tunnie]

whats the point in grippy winter tyres? Whole point in RWD is you can pull donuts in the winter 

If you can only get the car to do what you want, when you want in the winter months only....maybe it's time to reappraise just how much control you have 

Never said i could not do it in the summer, but winter = free donuts.   

[cem_devecioglu]

whats the point in grippy winter tyres? Whole point in RWD is you can pull donuts in the winter 

I understand that you dont have snow problem Tunnie

Here, in this city winter snow mostly catch us at midnight and  the next morning its impossible to clean everywhere at once.. so you are on your own with the snow :-/ and I dont like skating with a 1.5 ton car..

[tunnie]

whats the point in grippy winter tyres? Whole point in RWD is you can pull donuts in the winter 

I understand that you dont have snow problem Tunnie

Here, in this city winter snow mostly catch us at midnight and  the next morning its impossible to clean everywhere at once.. so you are on your own with the snow :-/ and I dont like skating with a 1.5 ton car..

So far in about 9 years of driving, only encountered serious snow twice. Last year was the worst, when we had that big dump.

I just worked from home, no point going in.

[cem_devecioglu]

whats the point in grippy winter tyres? Whole point in RWD is you can pull donuts in the winter 

I understand that you dont have snow problem Tunnie

Here, in this city winter snow mostly catch us at midnight and  the next morning its impossible to clean everywhere at once.. so you are on your own with the snow :-/ and I dont like skating with a 1.5 ton car..

So far in about 9 years of driving, only encountered serious snow twice. Last year was the worst, when we had that big dump.

I just worked from home, no point going in.

you are lucky..

I have two options , by metro or car..  as I wake up generally late (with surprise) metro takes long time..

so within 2 weeks  I'll make both cars ready with snow tires..

[Mr Skrunts]

whats the point in grippy winter tyres? Whole point in RWD is you can pull donuts in the winter 

I understand that you dont have snow problem Tunnie

Here, in this city winter snow mostly catch us at midnight and  the next morning its impossible to clean everywhere at once.. so you are on your own with the snow :-/ and I dont like skating with a 1.5 ton car..

So far in about 9 years of driving, only encountered serious snow twice. Last year was the worst, when we had that big dump.

I just worked from home, no point going in.

Did we have snow last year.   FFS, that was just a dusting.

In the 70's we usded to open the door to be met with a white wall of snow and 2/3 feet of snow on the ground.  "The good ol days"  8-)

[KillerWatt]

whats the point in grippy winter tyres? Whole point in RWD is you can pull donuts in the winter 

If you can only get the car to do what you want, when you want in the winter months only....maybe it's time to reappraise just how much control you have 

Never said i could not do it in the summer, but winter = free donuts.   

Why would you want to cause the car to lose grip to start with?

[tunnie]

whats the point in grippy winter tyres? Whole point in RWD is you can pull donuts in the winter 

I understand that you dont have snow problem Tunnie

Here, in this city winter snow mostly catch us at midnight and  the next morning its impossible to clean everywhere at once.. so you are on your own with the snow :-/ and I dont like skating with a 1.5 ton car..

So far in about 9 years of driving, only encountered serious snow twice. Last year was the worst, when we had that big dump.

I just worked from home, no point going in.

Did we have snow last year.   FFS, that was just a dusting.

In the 70's we usded to open the door to be met with a white wall of snow and 2/3 feet of snow on the ground.  "The good ol days"  8-)

Got to remember i am 'sprog' 

Last year was the biggest dump i have ever seen, on one of the days i made it in, i was 3rd in the office. I commuted 80 miles on train and car, people 5 miles away could not get in 

Apart from the phone, everything i do at the office is remote based, and i could do it anywhere! So no real urgency to get into the office.

[STMO999]

I tried it on a slight incline with a of iced over snow.

What do members recommned.

No amount of electronics (which were only invented for those who can't read the road IMO), or choice of rubber is going to help you on an ice surface.

IMO the best you can hope for is that you know how your car performs under given conditions, and you drive accordingly.

I agree entirely. Lost the back end of my omega on a roundabout in the wet about two years ago. I wasn't messing around, omegas are sh!te in the wet. Anyway, got it straight back with a reverse twitch of the front wheels. The missus was amazed, didn't know what even happened. But she's never driven a rear wheel drive, and neither have many youngsters these days.

That little event taught me exactly what the car would and wouldn't do in the wet, and there's no substitute for experience.

Edit: I had cr@p tyres on as well.

[Mr Skrunts]

Have tested to find the break away point in the wet and dry in my car, (have done that on most cars over the years) even had it sideways on a mini S bend setup locally where I can see the whole road and surroundings quite a way. 

Even tested the limits of one of the cars suspension by seeing if it could fly and how soft the landing was (impressed - but the car is really too heavy for that sort of thing)

Also learnt  (on a few cars now) that the ABS brakes need a good sharp stab every now and again.  Have had the wheels lock up for longer than they should till the ABS realised it actually had a job to do.

[KillerWatt]

omegas are sh!te in the wet.

I knew that before I bought ours Steve.
The sheer physical size, combined with the weight, drivetrain arrangement, and suspension setup told me all I needed to know before I even got behind the wheel.

Anyway, got it straight back with a reverse twitch of the front wheels. The missus was amazed, didn't know what even happened. But she's never driven a rear wheel drive, and neither have many youngsters these days.

I'm sure that's why so many of the kids screw up these days mate.
All this front wheel drive, abs, traction control, electronic stability 'dangle berries'.....it's just that, it's 'dangle berries' because it isn't making a driver better....it's just compensating for the shortcomings.

We should forget all this theory and multi choice questions for the driving test, and do the following....

Take one old school M3 with bugger all electronics
Insert test candidate behind wheel
Make test candidate drive in central london (or any other crowded city) for 8 hours in the pissing rain/snow/ice

If they get through the day without screwing up (too much), then they've earned the license!

and there's no substitute for experience.

Spot on 

I had a slight advantage as I started riding in competition from an early age, but I still f**ked up more than once when I finally got on the road.
Like you say, the ONLY thing that taught me (and still teaches me today) is experience....and there is NO test for that and NEVER will be.