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[cem_devecioglu]

Under "true" Islamic (sharia) law ... a woman cannot drive anyway ...  so it shows the hypocrisy of "followers" yet again ....

They only "obey" or "claim" the bits of sharia law they want to....  and many Islamic scholars also say that neither the Burka or Niqab are actually proscribed by the Qur'an .... which says .. according to most western translations ..

"And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their khum[ch363]r over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands"

It is the religous zealots that have taken this passage and used it to intimidate and berate women

didint catch this when I first read.. Very good Entwood..

[cem_devecioglu]

Under "true" Islamic (sharia) law ... a woman cannot drive anyway ...  so it shows the hypocrisy of "followers" yet again ....

They only "obey" or "claim" the bits of sharia law they want to....  and many Islamic scholars also say that neither the Burka or Niqab are actually proscribed by the Qur'an .... which says .. according to most western translations ..

"And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their khum[ch363]r over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands"

It is the religous zealots that have taken this passage and used it to intimidate and berate women

Do you mean "prescribed"?

Can't agree with this.  If you ban this form of dress, the next thing is you'll be banning the Hasidim from wearing their stupid furry hats and shiny frock coats.  Then the Sikhs and their turbans.  Then what?  Nuns?  Gays?  Concentration camps?   

I think religious extremists should be tolerated.  Except when they start killing people in the name of their religion.

I'm sorry but wrong.. very rarely some respect others belief and ideas.. you have to see them WHEN they have the absolute power.. You will understand with the price of your life or total obey

and an explanation : sorry I give up, if I write this many people will try to debate 

[Dishevelled Den]

Under "true" Islamic (sharia) law ... a woman cannot drive anyway ...  so it shows the hypocrisy of "followers" yet again ....

They only "obey" or "claim" the bits of sharia law they want to....  and many Islamic scholars also say that neither the Burka or Niqab are actually proscribed by the Qur'an .... which says .. according to most western translations ..

"And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their khum[ch363]r over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands"

It is the religous zealots that have taken this passage and used it to intimidate and berate women

Do you mean "prescribed"?

Can't agree with this.  If you ban this form of dress, the next thing is you'll be banning the Hasidim from wearing their stupid furry hats and shiny frock coats.  Then the Sikhs and their turbans.  Then what?  Nuns?  Gays?  Concentration camps?   

I think religious extremists should be tolerated.  Except when they start killing people in the name of their religion.

I'm sorry but wrong.. very rarely some respect others belief and ideas.. you have to see them they have the absolute power.. You will understand with the price of your life or total obey

and an explanation : sorry I give up, if I write this many people will try to debate 

you have to see them they have the absolute power.. You will understand with the price of your life or total obey

Agreed cem, the reality is very harsh indeed when power is held and applied absolutely

[cem_devecioglu]

Under "true" Islamic (sharia) law ... a woman cannot drive anyway ...  so it shows the hypocrisy of "followers" yet again ....

They only "obey" or "claim" the bits of sharia law they want to....  and many Islamic scholars also say that neither the Burka or Niqab are actually proscribed by the Qur'an .... which says .. according to most western translations ..

"And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their khum[ch363]r over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands"

It is the religous zealots that have taken this passage and used it to intimidate and berate women

Do you mean "prescribed"?

Can't agree with this.  If you ban this form of dress, the next thing is you'll be banning the Hasidim from wearing their stupid furry hats and shiny frock coats.  Then the Sikhs and their turbans.  Then what?  Nuns?  Gays?  Concentration camps?   

I think religious extremists should be tolerated.  Except when they start killing people in the name of their religion.

I'm sorry but wrong.. very rarely some respect others belief and ideas.. you have to see them they have the absolute power.. You will understand with the price of your life or total obey

and an explanation : sorry I give up, if I write this many people will try to debate 

you have to see them they have the absolute power.. You will understand with the price of your life or total obey

Agreed cem, the reality is very harsh indeed when power is held and applied absolutely

Thanks Zulu

[eddie]

What is meant by "Their Ornaments"- Jewellery? - or ,er,um, you know,their lady bits?

eddie

[Banjax]

If only everyone believed in the one true invisible superbeing fairytale then none of this would be an issue 

Yep there is only one santa 

well theres certainly more proof 

[waspy]

What is meant by "Their Ornaments"- Jewellery? - or ,er,um, you know,their lady bits?

eddie

I hope they have a regular polish & close inspection

[STMO999]

'The burka and the niqab'

Sounds like a modern-day childrens story.

[Nickbat]

'The burka and the niqab'

Sounds like a modern-day childrens story.

Didn't you know? It's on the primary school reading list. 

[STMO999]

'The burka and the niqab'

Sounds like a modern-day childrens story.

Didn't you know? It's on the primary school reading list. 

DONT.......not even in jest.....

[cem_devecioglu]

What is meant by "Their Ornaments"- Jewellery? - or ,er,um, you know,their lady bits?

eddie

thats where all the debate starts.. some say(translate) , actually its their gold jewellery, some say their body parts , some say complete body etc etc..

original arabic sentence not that clear.. however a simple sentence written 2K years ago turned the life of women into hell

[cem_devecioglu]

and I must say, I dontlisten to a book which says all nature created in seven days including sky and stars, women is created from the 22th rib of men etc etc

[Dishevelled Den]

What is meant by "Their Ornaments"- Jewellery? - or ,er,um, you know,their lady bits?

eddie

thats where all the debate starts.. some say(translate) , actually its their gold jewellery, some say their body parts , some say complete body etc etc..

original arabic sentence not that clear.. however a simple sentence written 2K years ago turned the life of women into hell

 

Very true cem

[Entwood]

What is meant by "Their Ornaments"- Jewellery? - or ,er,um, you know,their lady bits?

eddie

thats where all the debate starts.. some say(translate) , actually its their gold jewellery, some say their body parts , some say complete body etc etc..

original arabic sentence not that clear.. however a simple sentence written 2K years ago turned the life of women into hell

 

Very true Cem .. and not helped by  2 simple facts ...

1)  Language changes over time, so the"meaning" of a word will change, sometimes with serious consequences ... (think of the english word "gay" and what has happened to that in 30 years) ... So modern "interpretations" may actually be very wrong.

2) Arabic to "English" translations have always been problematic, as many words have different meanings depending on the context.

AFAIK there is actully no "recognised" formal translation of the Qu'ran in existence ... just many "versions" all of which differ at times.

Still gives the academics and mullahs something to argue about ..

[cem_devecioglu]

What is meant by "Their Ornaments"- Jewellery? - or ,er,um, you know,their lady bits?

eddie

thats where all the debate starts.. some say(translate) , actually its their gold jewellery, some say their body parts , some say complete body etc etc..

original arabic sentence not that clear.. however a simple sentence written 2K years ago turned the life of women into hell

 

Very true Cem .. and not helped by  2 simple facts ...

1)  Language changes over time, so the"meaning" of a word will change, sometimes with serious consequences ... (think of the english word "gay" and what has happened to that in 30 years) ... So modern "interpretations" may actually be very wrong.

2) Arabic to "English" translations have always been problematic, as many words have different meanings depending on the context.

AFAIK there is actully no "recognised" formal translation of the Qu'ran in existence ... just many "versions" all of which differ at times.Still gives the academics and mullahs something to argue about ..

let aside translation to my language or English,

even the mullahs cant agree on which one is the most correct interpretation -explanation on its own language..

some may not accept but actually all things inside the "book" is related to some series of events in these days .. And the "book" covers solutions , determinations,conclusions to those events and normal daily life.. and also refers to historical events and other sacred "books"..

I've read the accepted "best" interpration of "book" in 6 volumes..and my conclusion is that its exagerated and changed in the hand of whom want to abuse it politically and socially.. However, the "book" also  tries to manipulate social life (justice,marriage, relations, money subjects,community problems etc) in such a way that it can be considered as a political approach..

and for those who didnt read it, says that from whatever religion you came from as "its the last book" you need to accept being ........ or you have no place in heaven  :-? briefly!