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[Ken T]

Thats it, if the owner does the basic stuff their self, then the rest with some help. No fair to leave the whole job to someone else

Ken

[Lazydocker]

Thats it, if the owner does the basic stuff their self, then the rest with some help. No fair to leave the whole job to someone else

Ken

I don't "Do" conversions for people... I'll help them

Think Tunnie's is on the list for ASAP... April perhaps :-/

[Ken T]

ASAP ?, what's wrong with next weekend !.


Well he'd better get the spare manifold and nozzles sent off to KW real soon 

Ken

[Lazydocker]

ASAP ?, what's wrong with next weekend !.


Well he'd better get the spare manifold and nozzles sent off to KW real soon 

Ken

Unfortunately I'm working weekends at the moment

The joys of 4-on 4-off working

[Kevin Wood]

Well he'd better get the spare manifold and nozzles sent off to KW real soon

That's odd. I keep tripping over one of those in my garage.

Kevin

[Ken T]

Has he actually sent it ? great 

Interesting, do you think position affects things a lot ?.  You fitted yours right next to the head inlet, mine was a good bit further down. Mine works OK, doesn't run brilliantly, but I put that down to the adjustment software underfueling at high demand.

Ken

[Tony H]

It'll be the pikeys weighing it in for scrap

Lets hope they try to melt it down to reduce it's volume  8-)

[Tony H]

It'll be the pikeys weighing it in for scrap

Yep, there not called thieving pikeys for nothing.

Last year I was at Thompsons scrap yard 'up north' and we popped out for some lunch, walking back there was a pikey pickup parked just down the road with 4 fridges on the back....with the pikeys using an axe to cut the pipes and vent the refridegerant.....

Something that really p1sses me off is the way they think that anything lying around is fair game last month I had a load of ally stolen from the service area behind my business premises. I was going to weigh it in myself but never got around to it, it didn't have much value maybe £15. If they have asked I would have probably given it to  them but the thievin pikey b@stards just helped themselves.

[JesterRT]

'nouts safe these days.  My missus thinks I'm paranoid, but the only people I want on my property are the ones I invite.  I get twitchy at the paper boy, and the ruddy great footprints in my flower beds put me right off our postie.

I had a bath nicked from outside my house once.  Cast iron tub.  I was in the midst of refitting the bathroom, went to work, came back and it'd gone.  I lived in a cul-de-sac and the bath was behind a fence you'd have to make an effort to look over.  I only hope they dropped it on their head trying to get it away.

[Kevin Wood]

Has he actually sent it ? great 

Interesting, do you think position affects things a lot ?.  You fitted yours right next to the head inlet, mine was a good bit further down. Mine works OK, doesn't run brilliantly, but I put that down to the adjustment software underfueling at high demand.

Ken

I don't think it's that critical. Unlike petrol, you're not trying to keep an atomised liquid in the airflow. However it gets injected it will mix readily with the incoming air in the swirl that gets caused as it flows through the valves and into the combustion chamber.

The main thing to ensure is that it doesn't flow up the intake manifold. As long as it's angled towards the valves it should be fine.

Kevin

[Lazydocker]

Has he actually sent it ? great 

Interesting, do you think position affects things a lot ?.  You fitted yours right next to the head inlet, mine was a good bit further down. Mine works OK, doesn't run brilliantly, but I put that down to the adjustment software underfueling at high demand.

Ken

I don't think it's that critical. Unlike petrol, you're not trying to keep an atomised liquid in the airflow. However it gets injected it will mix readily with the incoming air in the swirl that gets caused as it flows through the valves and into the combustion chamber.

The main thing to ensure is that it doesn't flow up the intake manifold. As long as it's angled towards the valves it should be fine.

Kevin

I agree.. Although there is some on the LPG forum who say the optimal entry angle is 90 degrees to the airflow... Which has some merit for mixing purposes I suppose :-/ :-/

Mind you... I've no complaints

[Kevin Wood]

I agree.. Although there is some on the LPG forum who say the optimal entry angle is 90 degrees to the airflow... Which has some merit for mixing purposes I suppose :-/ :-/

Mind you... I've no complaints

Yes, I've heard the 90 degree advice. My take is that if you inject it at 90 degrees it will hit the opposite manifold wall and 50% will go back up the intake tract.

Even on a sequential setup it's not always injecting into a moving airflow because the injector duration is longer than the intake stroke for most driving conditions.

I think the way we do the V6 manifolds is probably pretty much optimal. If you look at the angles, they do fire across the airflow at a reasonable angle, 45 - 60 degrees at a guess, yet the gas is injected low enough down the tract that if it does flow back up, or build up behind a closed valve, it's unlikely to get scavenged by neighbouring cylinders.

Kevin

[Lazydocker]

I agree.. Although there is some on the LPG forum who say the optimal entry angle is 90 degrees to the airflow... Which has some merit for mixing purposes I suppose :-/ :-/

Mind you... I've no complaints

Yes, I've heard the 90 degree advice. My take is that if you inject it at 90 degrees it will hit the opposite manifold wall and 50% will go back up the intake tract.

Even on a sequential setup it's not always injecting into a moving airflow because the injector duration is longer than the intake stroke for most driving conditions.

I think the way we do the V6 manifolds is probably pretty much optimal. If you look at the angles, they do fire across the airflow at a reasonable angle, 45 - 60 degrees at a guess, yet the gas is injected low enough down the tract that if it does flow back up, or build up behind a closed valve, it's unlikely to get scavenged by neighbouring cylinders.

Kevin

I can't see it flowing back or getting trapped... You couldn't get them any closer to the petrol injectors

[TheBoy]

Back to the LPG 'party', I think, as has been suggested, thats not going to fly.

We have proved that 2 experts, and somebody capable of stripping/rebuilding simply cannot do a car in one very long weekend.

Possibly if the owner could do the non-technical stuff, eg mounting tank before hand, that could make one possible in a weekend??

[Lazydocker]

Back to the LPG 'party', I think, as has been suggested, thats not going to fly.

We have proved that 2 experts, and somebody capable of stripping/rebuilding simply cannot do a car in one very long weekend.

Possibly if the owner could do the non-technical stuff, eg mounting tank before hand, that could make one possible in a weekend??

It can be done in a long weekend but you have to work on 1 car only, and be organised! The trouble comes if you run into any unforeseen problems, as you did Yours would have been done otherwise

We've said all along that a "Party" is a bad idea and your conversion has proven this. I'm still willing to help out over a weekend but it has to be started on the Friday night, even if all you do is strip down so there's a clear run at the "Fitting" on the Saturday.

Hopefully Kevin will get to the bottom of it quickly and, if it does prove to be the loom, Teilo will replace it without question!

If you have issues contacting him let me know and I'll try (I have direct dial numbers and a mobile number)