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[joff]

You say Mr Brown has a good head for the recovery shame it's labour that's put us in this state over the years and who was it that had there hands on the money for most of that time. I know the bankers had a hand in it but who gave them the hand out so they could have the big bonus pay outs. They should have let them go to the wall and then just pay out to the people that lost savings, I think the figure would have been smaller. We now have such a large amount to pay back plus the interest to pay and he wants to keep borrowing until next year before starting repayment. We all know there are going to be cuts I should Know I work in public sector and I have lost over 30% of manpower since last August and still have to do the same job. What you don't see wont hurt MUCH. Or am I just being bitter.

[Nickbat]

Banjax is talking sense here - just read his ditty very carefully.

Just ask any former miner or busman here about the Tories for confirmation.

'Better the devil you know' etc; and I ain't wearing a tin hat!

If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you're still voting for evil.

[joff]

Sorry I forgot to add all the voters that stay at home in protest on Thursday 6th May or just can't be botherd to vote need to think of one thing on the 7th May. You don't have a say on whats happened so just keep your head in the sand and hope nothing  bites your backside.

[waspy]

I don't really do politics, but i've had my fill of these useless inept bunch of sressot that we have now & so i will be voting for the ones that i think will rid us of them.
Latin meaning of "Poli" is many & the meaning of "tics", well we all know what a Tic is, but just incase you're unsure "Blood Sucking Parasite". No need to say any more

[TheBoy]

I think they are all pretty useless.  However, my vote will go to whomever looks most likely to beat Labour...


Whoever gets in, there will have to be *MASSIVE* cuts in public spending, and large tax rises to even begin to fill the £175bn annual deficit.  Those cuts need to happen right NOW.  Even the complete closure of the NHS would not cover that.

Additionally, benefits need to be slashed - we all know people who are on benefits, purely because they don't want to work.  Redirect some of those savings to help those who do.


So, my vote will be decided nearer the time. If I have to vote for useless Tories or LDs to stop another Labour term, so be it.

[Banjax]

You say Mr Brown has a good head for the recovery shame it's labour that's put us in this state over the years and who was it that had there hands on the money for most of that time. I know the bankers had a hand in it but who gave them the hand out so they could have the big bonus pay outs. They should have let them go to the wall and then just pay out to the people that lost savings, I think the figure would have been smaller. We now have such a large amount to pay back plus the interest to pay and he wants to keep borrowing until next year before starting repayment. We all know there are going to be cuts I should Know I work in public sector and I have lost over 30% of manpower since last August and still have to do the same job. What you don't see wont hurt MUCH. Or am I just being bitter.

we've avoided a depression thanks to Brown's plan taken up by the G20 - a fact which seems forgotten.

GB and the labour government are rightly criticised for not having stuck to their own fiscal rules. On the other hand, before this recession we had low debt-to-GDP ratio – remember being prudent?

It's because of the earlier prudence that we haven't collapsed so obviously blame labour for being too soft on banks (against GB's better judgement) but please don't tell me they got us into this mess - that was US banks gambling on a housing bubble with poor credit rating mortgages.

And ask yourself would a tory government have been harder on banks? theres a first time for everything I suppose, maybe now they say they will but you're kidding yourself if you think we wouldn't have been in a worse mess under the tory party.

by your argument, go back in time and tell me which party and which policies at the time would have prevented the global collapse - there are none - the tories would have you believe its all gordons fault - easily stated, harder to back up.....still we're only electing the single most important leader in the last 50yrs - lets decide it on who has the best quips, most polished soundbites or the best suit  :-?


there do need to be cuts - but lets wait until we're out of intensive care before we pull the plug eh? 

[Banjax]

I think they are all pretty useless.  However, my vote will go to whomever looks most likely to beat Labour...


Whoever gets in, there will have to be *MASSIVE* cuts in public spending, and large tax rises to even begin to fill the £175bn annual deficit.  Those cuts need to happen right NOW.  Even the complete closure of the NHS would not cover that.

Additionally, benefits need to be slashed - we all know people who are on benefits, purely because they don't want to work.  Redirect some of those savings to help those who do.


So, my vote will be decided nearer the time. If I have to vote for useless Tories or LDs to stop another Labour term, so be it.

dont put less petrol in  the tank - it just means we have to walk further 

[joff]

I do understand your piont Banjax that's why it's so hard trying to know who to vote for on Thursday.

Can I just say this If there is to be a hung parliarment who do we hang first :-? :-/

[HolyCount]

Just a few random thoughts to throw into the pot .....

Whoever gets in -- recovery is going to be painful. All colours ( and the populace in general) will target public servants for cuts. Unfortunately the ones that need to be cut ( fat cat "no jobs" at the top), the ones that cost the most per capita, will remain and the axe will fall on the front line workers, simply because they are easier and cheaper to dispose of!

Same goes for public sector pensions -- all this talk of gold plated pensions (BTW -- gold plated means a thin veneer of expensive metal over a lump of cheap stuff) --- the majority of the pension pot goes to the minority at the top. Again the rank and file get the rough end of the pineapple every time!

Can't depend on any of the manefesto promises -- they have all been made before and never followed through.

I agree that GB didn't get us into this mess, but all this talk of managing "waste" ---- why do we have all this "waste" to trim ?? Why hasn't it been trimmed already by a prudent government??

[Nickbat]

we've avoided a depression thanks to Brown's plan taken up by the G20 - a fact which seems forgotten.

GB and the labour government are rightly criticised for not having stuck to their own fiscal rules. On the other hand, before this recession we had low debt-to-GDP ratio – remember being prudent?

It's because of the earlier prudence that we haven't collapsed so obviously blame labour for being too soft on banks (against GB's better judgement) but please don't tell me they got us into this mess - that was US banks gambling on a housing bubble with poor credit rating mortgages.

And ask yourself would a tory government have been harder on banks? theres a first time for everything I suppose, maybe now they say they will but you're kidding yourself if you think we wouldn't have been in a worse mess under the tory party.

by your argument, go back in time and tell me which party and which policies at the time would have prevented the global collapse - there are none - the tories would have you believe its all gordons fault - easily stated, harder to back up.....still we're only electing the single most important leader in the last 50yrs - lets decide it on who has the best quips, most polished soundbites or the best suit  :-?


there do need to be cuts - but lets wait until we're out of intensive care before we pull the plug eh? 

Wrong again, I'm afraid.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3078296/the-true-extent-of-britains-debt.thtml

[cem_devecioglu]

You say Mr Brown has a good head for the recovery shame it's labour that's put us in this state over the years and who was it that had there hands on the money for most of that time. I know the bankers had a hand in it but who gave them the hand out so they could have the big bonus pay outs. They should have let them go to the wall and then just pay out to the people that lost savings, I think the figure would have been smaller. We now have such a large amount to pay back plus the interest to pay and he wants to keep borrowing until next year before starting repayment. We all know there are going to be cuts I should Know I work in public sector and I have lost over 30% of manpower since last August and still have to do the same job. What you don't see wont hurt MUCH. Or am I just being bitter.

we've avoided a depression thanks to Brown's plan taken up by the G20 - a fact which seems forgotten.

GB and the labour government are rightly criticised for not having stuck to their own fiscal rules. On the other hand, before this recession we had low debt-to-GDP ratio – remember being prudent?

It's because of the earlier prudence that we haven't collapsed so obviously blame labour for being too soft on banks (against GB's better judgement) but please don't tell me they got us into this mess - that was US banks gambling on a housing bubble with poor credit rating mortgages.

And ask yourself would a tory government have been harder on banks? theres a first time for everything I suppose, maybe now they say they will but you're kidding yourself if you think we wouldn't have been in a worse mess under the tory party.

by your argument, go back in time and tell me which party and which policies at the time would have prevented the global collapse - there are none - the tories would have you believe its all gordons fault - easily stated, harder to back up.....still we're only electing the single most important leader in the last 50yrs - lets decide it on who has the best quips, most polished soundbites or the best suit  :-?


there do need to be cuts - but lets wait until we're out of intensive care before we pull the plug eh? 

 



as said:

"who come next will make you seek for the previous" .. :-/

[TheBoy]

I think New Labour have done an awful lot to get us in this mess. Prudence? Never happened.

I'm just the local thick kid from the local comprehensive.  But even I know the basics of fiscal management - when the times are good, pay off debts, and maybe even try to save 'for a rainy day'.  When the 'rainy day' comes, it gives you extra flexibility.


New Labour; we'll borrow even more in the good times, in the vain hope of paying it back in the even better times, because "this is the end of boom and bust economy".

Additionally, by discouraging manufacturing in the UK, in preference to a finacial services economy, New Labour left us severely exposed when that market sector hit problems.


But that aside, any ruling party becomes stale, ineffective and out of ideas by the end of the 2nd term. Then they come out with stupid ideas about giving our pets lots of mental stimulation or face a £20k fine.


Nope, Labour must go.

[Richie London]

if labour had got rid of brown when blair went i dont think they would be in a position as bad as they are. its a 2 men party run by brown and mandy. blair quit knowing the recession was coming and basically brown has taken the flack for everything. blair does not give a shite about the country or his party now, hes earning too much money to care.

[tunnie]

bah, Politics, its just like big brother for posh people 

[Richie London]

bah, Politics, its just like big brother for posh people 

is harriet harmon jade goody