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[The Red Baron]

I am trying to find out about some early high power Diesels.

Found these two - not sure if they are the ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_4-8%2B8-4-750/8-DE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_DR-12-8-1500/2

But I was sure there was a 4 engine 3000bhp 1950s built loco of around 300 tons but nearest were these two.

I was going to use them to show how much better UK designs were and 10% more power and 1/3rd the weight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_DP1

wasnt the fell loco a 4 engine thing, designed by a colonel fell. bit of a disaster & scrapped at derby i think. maybe not the one your thinking of though.
total traction bhp 2060 built at derby 1950

[Martin_1962]

I am trying to find out about some early high power Diesels.

Found these two - not sure if they are the ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_4-8%2B8-4-750/8-DE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_DR-12-8-1500/2

But I was sure there was a 4 engine 3000bhp 1950s built loco of around 300 tons but nearest were these two.

I was going to use them to show how much better UK designs were and 10% more power and 1/3rd the weight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_DP1

wasnt the fell loco a 4 engine thing, designed by a colonel fell. bit of a disaster & scrapped at derby i think. maybe not the one your thinking of though.
total traction bhp 2060 built at derby 1950

Not that one, a US designed and South America ran jobby early 50s lots of wheels about 300 tons 4 power units (not sure how many units 1, 2 or 4), nearest I can find are the Baldwin 2DoDo2 s.

Anyway these sort were the most powerful Diesels in the world until 1955 when a British loco took the crown.

[The Red Baron]

I am trying to find out about some early high power Diesels.

Found these two - not sure if they are the ones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_4-8%2B8-4-750/8-DE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_DR-12-8-1500/2

But I was sure there was a 4 engine 3000bhp 1950s built loco of around 300 tons but nearest were these two.

I was going to use them to show how much better UK designs were and 10% more power and 1/3rd the weight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_DP1

wasnt the fell loco a 4 engine thing, designed by a colonel fell. bit of a disaster & scrapped at derby i think. maybe not the one your thinking of though.
total traction bhp 2060 built at derby 1950

Not that one, a US designed and South America ran jobby early 50s lots of wheels about 300 tons 4 power units (not sure how many units 1, 2 or 4), nearest I can find are the Baldwin 2DoDo2 s.

Anyway these sort were the most powerful Diesels in the world until 1955 when a British loco took the crown.

the deltics 3300. great loco`s.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Kestrel - 4000 metric horse power - Single Sulzer 16 cylinder 16LVA24

[Marks DTM Calib]

Falcon - Twin engine 2800hp.....but thats in 1961 and only weighing a shade over 100 tons (compared to the EE and Brush units at 130+ tons)


Here she is on the Lickey incline showing how she can re-start an 18 coach train!

[Debs.]

Kestrel - 4000 metric horse power - Single Sulzer 16 cylinder 16LVA24

  I`m in love: http://www.derbysulzers.com/HS4000.html

[Impact Pete]

boring...

if boring why you reading it

[Debs.]

Kestrel - 4000 metric horse power - Single Sulzer 16 cylinder 16LVA24

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Kestrel - 4000 metric horse power - Single Sulzer 16 cylinder 16LVA24

Wow Debs! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

What a lovely engine that is .

It looks by its neatness as though it was very efficient in its day.  Neat, tidy, and well, eye pleasing, designed engines meant in steam super efficiency.  With the internal combustion engine that rule surely still applies!  The designers no doubt had to watch the axle weights as much as they did in steam days, before the civil engineers started to moan loadly!!

I just want to start stripping it down to see whats inside and how it all works 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-).

[Martin_1962]

Kestrel - 4000 metric horse power - Single Sulzer 16 cylinder 16LVA24

That is Falcon, and the chap that runs the site is a school friend of mine.

[The Red Baron]

what a great link you put up debs

[John Lewis]

I was going to use them to show how much better UK designs were and 10% more power and 1/3rd the weight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_DP1

I've been in the cab of that Blue 'Deltic' as a young whippersnapper! 

[cmeonthemove]

Lizzie are you aware of this site?
http://www.preserved-diesels.co.uk/

[eliteomegaman]

Kestrel - 4000 metric horse power - Single Sulzer 16 cylinder 16LVA24

Wow Debs! 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

What a lovely engine that is .

It looks by its neatness as though it was very efficient in its day.  Neat, tidy, and well, eye pleasing, designed engines meant in steam super efficiency.  With the internal combustion engine that rule surely still applies!  The designers no doubt had to watch the axle weights as much as they did in steam days, before the civil engineers started to moan loadly!!

I just want to start stripping it down to see whats inside and how it all works 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-).

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'VE WANTED TO DO TO U ever since i first saw your pic hahaha!! 

Ok ok yes i am a perv BUT it was ME that started this topic off!! 

[Shackeng]

In fact there is no proof that the chariots, or any carts, actually had a 'standard' gauge of any type, let alone 4' 8 1/2".   Indeed historians cannot prove exactly how that gauge came about, but certainly early tramways / railways were generally built on that base.  When the first locomotive powered railways were built (by the way the first known railway dates to 2,245 BC in ancient Babylon!) 4' 8 1/2" was used by Trevithick and then Stevenson to name just two.

However, Isambard Kingdom Brunel decided to construct the Great Western Railway lines, which were given Royal Assent on the last day of August 1835, using the 'Broad' gauge of 7' 0", although this was amended by him to 7' 0 1/4" to allow extra clearances on turnouts.  This is considered by many, including me, to be the best gauge, and if it had been nationally adopted would have allowed for faster, heavier, greater capacity, and far more stable trains.  However the Royal Gauges Commission of 1845 decided that because the majority of railways had by then  been built using the "standard gauge", and not least the lobbying by a certain Mr Stevenson carried more weight, it was ruled that all new railways would be built to 4' 8 1/2".

On Sunday the 22nd May 1892, the last of the broad gauge track was converted to standard gauge, ready for exclusively standard guage trains on Monday 23rd May, 1892.

This was the dump at Swindon after the end of broad gauge, with engines either awaiting dismantling or conversion to 4' 8 1/2".






A modern Gauge Measuring device:



 

 

Lizzie, you may be interested in this (little known?) fact from a former BR Director:- Interesting the high tech gauging machine shown - the recent Western Regional Civil Engineer of BR (up to 1994) still used Brunel's actual and personal gauging stick which was, when folded , standard gauge but when extended covered the broad gauge!