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« Reply #135 on: 01 June 2010, 13:55:46 »

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providing you don't go by boat.................???

Wouldn't Lizzie be taking her two big bazookas???


(sorry.....could'nt resist it.....) :D :D :D

Hmmmmmm!! Looks like i won't be off to Israel with Elizabeth  :'( :'(

cos seems like LizziaZoom will be anchoring her 2 big bazookas  :P :P in Ankara/Turkey with Cem  ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #136 on: 01 June 2010, 13:57:10 »

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providing you don't go by boat.................???

Wouldn't Lizzie be taking her two big bazookas???


(sorry.....could'nt resist it.....) :D :D :D

Hmmmmmm!! Looks like i won't be off to Israel with Elizabeth  :'( :'(

cos seems like LizziaZoom will be anchoring her 2 big bazookas  :P :P in Ankara/Turkey with Cem  ::) ::) ::)

 :) ;D ::)
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« Reply #137 on: 01 June 2010, 13:59:51 »

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y :y
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« Reply #138 on: 01 June 2010, 14:15:16 »

Taken from to-days Guardian newspaper -

Headline : Israel's Media Assumes A Critical Stance On The Military's Handling Of The Situation.....

Israel's media is more critical today than it was in the immediate aftermath of the raid on the Gaza aid flotilla, raising the question that, while justified, the Israeli military response may have been badly handled. There were also complaints that Israel bungled its international PR.

Yesterday's coverage mostly surmised that the Israeli army had to respond as it did, in the face of a violent, premeditated and provocative assault. "They chose this way," said Alon Ben David, defence correspondent of Israel's Channel 10, of the activists aboard the Mavi Marmara, one of the Gaza flotilla ships on which at least nine people were killed and dozens injured. "Israeli forces had no choice but to open fire and the result was much worse than we'd wanted."
Israeli journalists corroborated the army accounts of an attack by violent protesters bearing knives and metal bars. Ron Ben-Yishai, a veteran war correspondent aboard the Victory, an Israeli missile ship, wrote a piece headlined 'A Brutal Ambush at Sea', in which he suggested that those being violently ambushed were the Israeli army. He wrote that the naval forces that stormed the flotilla were unprepared for the "severe assault" that awaited them and only fired when under attack.
The incident was routinely depicted as a "lynching" of Israeli forces during the dawn raid on the aid flotilla, and reporters referred to "peace-lovers bearing sticks and knives," as one journalist for Israel's Channel 1 put it.

Today, many media commentators are angered that Israel did not release its version of events sooner. Writing in Yediot Aharonot, Roni Sofer holds that Israeli officials failed on PR, allowing "harsh accusations against the violent Israel" to go unchallenged for hours.

Writing in Haaretz, military correspondent Amos Harel berated the Israeli army for falling into a trap set by the aid flotilla, landing the nation in a "diplomatic mess". He insisted, though, that the military did nothing wrong and should not have been put in that position.
This argument is repeated across the comment pages of the mass circulation dailies Ma'ariv and Yediot Aharonot today. Soldiers are praised for their actions, politicians chastised for putting the nation's forces in a compromising situation. Yediot Aharonot's front page splash, headlined 'The Trap', reports that nine civilians aboard the aid boats died because the army didn't have enough information about the strength of resistance it would face on the flotilla. The paper's finance editor, Sever Plocker, referred to a "provocative trap set by Hamas" and called for the defence minister, Ehud Barak, to resign.

Another of the paper's columnists, appearing in the English edition, said that Israel should not be apologising for its actions. "It doesn't look good and the images it produces aren't pretty, yet the lives of Israeli citizens are more important than any scathing diplomatic protest," wrote Yoaz Hendel.
Ma'ariv's front page accused the government of "stuttering and shifting blame" over what happened, and criticised Israel's "informational failure".
Yesterday, a leftwing former minister, Yossi Beilin, noted that Israel had the worst hasbara – or spin – team possible in the current government, which includes the foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman, and his deputy, Danny Ayalon. "Change the team," he advised on Israeli TV. "First of all we should apologise over the death of civilians and then open an inquiry."
Broadcast media focused this morning on global demonstrations in protest at Israel's raid. Israeli army radio had a London-based reporter effectively describing yesterday's demonstrations in the capital as an anti-Israel hate-fest.
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« Reply #139 on: 01 June 2010, 14:19:28 »

Interesting!! ::) ::) ::)

Maybe the blinkers will eventually fall off! ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #140 on: 01 June 2010, 16:12:44 »

some pictures from different countries showing what people feel..


http://fotograf.gazetevatan.com/fotogaleri/resim.asp?kat=14602&page_number=1
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« Reply #141 on: 01 June 2010, 16:27:23 »

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some pictures from different countries showing what people feel..


http://fotograf.gazetevatan.com/fotogaleri/resim.asp?kat=14602&page_number=1


Great pictures there Cem! :y :y :y :y :y

The affair has certainly ignited peoples opinion across the democratic world 8-) 8-) 8-)
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« Reply #142 on: 01 June 2010, 17:22:13 »

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What the idiotic anti jewish lawyer fails to recognise (or mention) in his long winded nonsensical rant is the fact that in a war against terrorists you are fighting cowards who wont put on a uniform and fight like a proper army. They mix and mingle among the general population in the knowledge that this will almost certainly result in some degree of damage to the innocents. They do this deliberately because they know that they can use it as an effective tool in the PR war which will be waged on their behalf by friendly media types and gullible people with no proper understanding of the issues involved. The problems experienced by the people of Gaza are the responsibilty of the terrorists in their midst, not the fault of he Israelis. ;)

Thank you very much for that statement with which I agree completely. 

It's a pity that no-one will take any notice.  Somebody mentioned the Israeli propaganda machine.  Compared to the Palestinian media circus, you hardly notice it. 

Regrettably, it isn't possible to enter into a meaningful discussion with the anti-Israel factions either here or anywhere else.  What I can't understand is why they can't see that (in modern times) it's not the Israelis who are conducting a terrorist campaign.
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« Reply #143 on: 01 June 2010, 17:31:28 »

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What the idiotic anti jewish lawyer fails to recognise (or mention) in his long winded nonsensical rant is the fact that in a war against terrorists you are fighting cowards who wont put on a uniform and fight like a proper army. They mix and mingle among the general population in the knowledge that this will almost certainly result in some degree of damage to the innocents. They do this deliberately because they know that they can use it as an effective tool in the PR war which will be waged on their behalf by friendly media types and gullible people with no proper understanding of the issues involved. The problems experienced by the people of Gaza are the responsibilty of the terrorists in their midst, not the fault of he Israelis. ;)

Thank you very much for that statement with which I agree completely. 

It's a pity that no-one will take any notice.  Somebody mentioned the Israeli propaganda machine.  Compared to the Palestinian media circus, you hardly notice it. 

Regrettably, it isn't possible to enter into a meaningful discussion with the anti-Israel factions either here or anywhere else.  What I can't understand is why they can't see that (in modern times) it's not the Israelis who are conducting a terrorist campaign.

Israel itself is a terrorist state in our view.. and yes no reason to discuss the obvious..
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« Reply #144 on: 01 June 2010, 17:44:03 »

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What the idiotic anti jewish lawyer fails to recognise (or mention) in his long winded nonsensical rant is the fact that in a war against terrorists you are fighting cowards who wont put on a uniform and fight like a proper army. They mix and mingle among the general population in the knowledge that this will almost certainly result in some degree of damage to the innocents. They do this deliberately because they know that they can use it as an effective tool in the PR war which will be waged on their behalf by friendly media types and gullible people with no proper understanding of the issues involved. The problems experienced by the people of Gaza are the responsibilty of the terrorists in their midst, not the fault of he Israelis. ;)

Thank you very much for that statement with which I agree completely. 

It's a pity that no-one will take any notice.  Somebody mentioned the Israeli propaganda machine.  Compared to the Palestinian media circus, you hardly notice it. 

Regrettably, it isn't possible to enter into a meaningful discussion with the anti-Israel factions either here or anywhere else.  What I can't understand is why they can't see that (in modern times) it's not the Israelis who are conducting a terrorist campaign.

Israel itself is a terrorist state in our view.. and yes no reason to discuss the obvious..


....Agreed Cem......and a lot of people are coming around to this point of view... The Palestinian people and Hamas are freedom fighters......and in my opinion  have every right to be more than a little pissed at Israel. 
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« Reply #145 on: 01 June 2010, 17:48:37 »

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What the idiotic anti jewish lawyer fails to recognise (or mention) in his long winded nonsensical rant is the fact that in a war against terrorists you are fighting cowards who wont put on a uniform and fight like a proper army. They mix and mingle among the general population in the knowledge that this will almost certainly result in some degree of damage to the innocents. They do this deliberately because they know that they can use it as an effective tool in the PR war which will be waged on their behalf by friendly media types and gullible people with no proper understanding of the issues involved. The problems experienced by the people of Gaza are the responsibilty of the terrorists in their midst, not the fault of he Israelis. ;)

Thank you very much for that statement with which I agree completely. 

It's a pity that no-one will take any notice.  Somebody mentioned the Israeli propaganda machine.  Compared to the Palestinian media circus, you hardly notice it. 

Regrettably, it isn't possible to enter into a meaningful discussion with the anti-Israel factions either here or anywhere else.  What I can't understand is why they can't see that (in modern times) it's not the Israelis who are conducting a terrorist campaign.

Israel itself is a terrorist state in our view.. and yes no reason to discuss the obvious..


....Agreed Cem......and a lot of people are coming around to this point of view... The Palestinian people and Hamas are freedom fighters......and in my opinion  have every right to be more than a little pissed at Israel. 


 :y :y :y
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« Reply #146 on: 01 June 2010, 18:02:21 »

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What the idiotic anti jewish lawyer fails to recognise (or mention) in his long winded nonsensical rant is the fact that in a war against terrorists you are fighting cowards who wont put on a uniform and fight like a proper army. They mix and mingle among the general population in the knowledge that this will almost certainly result in some degree of damage to the innocents. They do this deliberately because they know that they can use it as an effective tool in the PR war which will be waged on their behalf by friendly media types and gullible people with no proper understanding of the issues involved. The problems experienced by the people of Gaza are the responsibilty of the terrorists in their midst, not the fault of he Israelis. ;)

Thank you very much for that statement with which I agree completely. 

It's a pity that no-one will take any notice.  Somebody mentioned the Israeli propaganda machine.  Compared to the Palestinian media circus, you hardly notice it. 

Regrettably, it isn't possible to enter into a meaningful discussion with the anti-Israel factions either here or anywhere else.  What I can't understand is why they can't see that (in modern times) it's not the Israelis who are conducting a terrorist campaign.

Israel itself is a terrorist state in our view.. and yes no reason to discuss the obvious..


....Agreed Cem......and a lot of people are coming around to this point of view... The Palestinian people and Hamas are freedom fighters......and in my opinion  have every right to be more than a little pissed at Israel. 


Terrorism  Terrorist principles and practices; the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims; the fact of terrorizing or being terrorized.  Shorter Oxford English Dictionary Sixth Edition Oxford University Press (2007)

Considering Israel's continued breach of various UN laws, including human rights, International Laws of Belligerent Occupation, with Israel's War Crimes against Palestinians, Israel's Crimes Against Humanity (see my International Lawyers extract on page 9), the act of piracy against a Turkish flagged vessel in International Waters, all of their past illegal acts on the soil of Gaza, along with the illegal use of British passports to further their aims, yes Israel are a terrorist state, who without USA protection would have been declared "an axis of evil" many moons ago  >:( >:(
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« Reply #147 on: 01 June 2010, 18:11:48 »

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What the idiotic anti jewish lawyer fails to recognise (or mention) in his long winded nonsensical rant is the fact that in a war against terrorists you are fighting cowards who wont put on a uniform and fight like a proper army. They mix and mingle among the general population in the knowledge that this will almost certainly result in some degree of damage to the innocents. They do this deliberately because they know that they can use it as an effective tool in the PR war which will be waged on their behalf by friendly media types and gullible people with no proper understanding of the issues involved. The problems experienced by the people of Gaza are the responsibilty of the terrorists in their midst, not the fault of he Israelis. ;)

Thank you very much for that statement with which I agree completely. 

It's a pity that no-one will take any notice.  Somebody mentioned the Israeli propaganda machine.  Compared to the Palestinian media circus, you hardly notice it. 

Regrettably, it isn't possible to enter into a meaningful discussion with the anti-Israel factions either here or anywhere else.  What I can't understand is why they can't see that (in modern times) it's not the Israelis who are conducting a terrorist campaign.

Israel itself is a terrorist state in our view.. and yes no reason to discuss the obvious..


....Agreed Cem......and a lot of people are coming around to this point of view... The Palestinian people and Hamas are freedom fighters......and in my opinion  have every right to be more than a little pissed at Israel. 


Terrorism  Terrorist principles and practices; the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims; the fact of terrorizing or being terrorized.  Shorter Oxford English Dictionary Sixth Edition Oxford University Press (2007)

Considering Israel's continued breach of various UN laws, including human rights, International Laws of Belligerent Occupation, with Israel's War Crimes against Palestinians, Israel's Crimes Against Humanity (see my International Lawyers extract on page 9), the act of piracy against a Turkish flagged vessel in International Waters, all of their past illegal acts on the soil of Gaza, along with the illegal use of British passports to further their aims, yes Israel are a terrorist state, who without USA protection would have been declared "an axis of evil" many moons ago  >:( >:(


spot on Lizzie .. as usual.. :y :y :y

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« Reply #148 on: 01 June 2010, 18:13:55 »

This thread is becoming positively anti-semitic. No doubt that will be denied, but have a good look at your comments. Shame if the whole discussion was binned after all the trouble you've gone to.
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« Reply #149 on: 01 June 2010, 18:24:00 »

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This thread is becoming positively anti-semitic. No doubt that will be denied, but have a good look at your comments. Shame if the whole discussion was binned after all the trouble you've gone to.

STMO, we have too many jewish citizens and the first paragraph of our prime minister ( I hate to say this cause I dont like him) includes a sentence like that "seperate israel govt from the israel citizens.. (as you did say- and very correct) seperate the problem from a muslim-jewish conflict and behave our jewish citizens as usual..  and I advise israel citizens to change that govt as soon as possible.. because their doing much harm to their country then anything else."
(and I advice my people to change the govt asap ;D)

and must admit the first writer I read daily is a jewish origin Turkish writer.. so no problems here..

you know me, you know my opinions about religion..

so I dont see further necessity to explain..

so I dont see necessity for further explanation..
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