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[Banjax]

I believe he announced a new medical examination procedure to be introduced in order to qualify for DLA. Long overdue imo, there are a hell of a lot of people abusing that particular system.

My old neighber was one them.

But like everything else, people will abuse anything if they can get away with it.

Like Tax and Vat.  it's amazing how many people dont offer a reciept for thier services, and when asked for a reciept how awkward they get.  Now if all these people payed thier VAT for example without ripping thier clients and the government off would there actually be a need to increase the VAT.

All 'moves' that display the unsavoury aspect of human nature Mr S of self before everything - however, I'm bound to agree with, and indeed echo your comments

Thing is Zulu, selfishness starts for many different reasons, one starts, others join in, sadly a lot of it starts from jealousy.  (more often the Smith v the Jones neighber issues - and wanting to do better for one's self (sadly not allways legally))

DLA - Designer Label Allowance, sadly - people from all walks of life rich or poor will try to screw the system as much as they can - can you honestly tell me that someone scraping by on benefits and scamming a few extra quid is any better or worse than an MP being "flexible" with expenses, or the tax avoidance policies of large companies like Tesco's and Barclays? 

[albitz]

Not arguing in favour of rich crooks, although tax avoidance (as opposed to evasion) is perfectly legal and therefore completely different.
I personally know several people on DLA with nothing wrong with them, and I would imagine most people know at least one similar person. It is theft (of my money) and it must cost the exchequer billions annually.
I am convinced that Liebore allowed it to carry on as a matter of unspoken policy, as its a way of having a lot of workshy long term unemployed without it showing in the proper statistics.
The worst thing about it is it denies funds for genuinely disabled people and it also inevitably leads to some degree of  them all being tarred with the same brush.
Starve the shirkers.

[Banjax]

Not arguing in favour of rich crooks, although tax avoidance (as opposed to evasion) is perfectly legal and therefore completely different.
I personally know several people on DLA with nothing wrong with them, and I would imagine most people know at least one similar person. It is theft (of my money) and it must cost the exchequer billions annually.
I am convinced that Liebore allowed it to carry on as a matter of unspoken policy, as its a way of having a lot of workshy long term unemployed without it showing in the proper statistics.
The worst thing about it is it denies funds for genuinely disabled people and it also inevitably leads to some degree of  them all being tarred with the same brush.
Starve the shirkers.

and neither am I supporting those who scam benefits - just putting it in perspective........ironically taxpayer funded banks are generally the worst tax evaders (Barclays at least aren't taxpayer funded - didn't want the treasury looking too closely at their books if you ask me  )- seems they're quick to take, slower to give 

incidentally, clamping down on a few £m of benefit cheat money will save little as any new structure or practice to dishing out benefits will surely cost £m's to implement....or are they planning on having less staff rolling out the new regs, obviously they'll not be trained properly (no money) leading to mispayments, errors, fraud - takes money to save money Albs 

 

[TheBoy]

I didn't think the tories went far enough - but then I guess they have a few more years to do it properly.

Remember, with the state that we are in now, even completely closing down the NHS entirely would only half the annual overspend.


Exact figures are difficult, due to political molesting of the stats, but NHS is annual cost of around £85bn, annual overspend (deficit) is around £170bn, and total UK debt is just over £900bn (thats around £15,000 for every man, woman and child in the UK (approx 60m))


I would have liked to have seen a slash in NHS budget - not to reduce services, but to finally get rid of the horrific waste and dead wood in the service. A massive slash in the welfare state - particularly for the long term unemployeed and the lazy sods who simply don't want to work (we all know some), a massive cut in all the daft, over complex benefit allowances, an increase in pension for current pensioners (but dwindling over time (decades) to encourage people to make their own arrangements), and increased help for short term unemployed to get a job.

I would also have liked to see all subsidised public transport canned, as it doesn't work in reality, and money is wasted purely to tick boxes.

[HolyCount]

Not arguing in favour of rich crooks, although tax avoidance (as opposed to evasion) is perfectly legal and therefore completely different.
I personally know several people on DLA with nothing wrong with them, and I would imagine most people know at least one similar person. It is theft (of my money) and it must cost the exchequer billions annually.
I am convinced that Liebore allowed it to carry on as a matter of unspoken policy, as its a way of having a lot of workshy long term unemployed without it showing in the proper statistics.
The worst thing about it is it denies funds for genuinely disabled people and it also inevitably leads to some degree of  them all being tarred with the same brush.
Starve the shirkers.

and neither am I supporting those who scam benefits - just putting it in perspective........ironically taxpayer funded banks are generally the worst tax evaders (Barclays at least aren't taxpayer funded - didn't want the treasury looking too closely at their books if you ask me  )- seems they're quick to take, slower to give 

incidentally, clamping down on a few £m of benefit cheat money will save little as any new structure or practice to dishing out benefits will surely cost £m's to implement....or are they planning on having less staff rolling out the new regs, obviously they'll not be trained properly (no money) leading to mispayments, errors, fraud - takes money to save money Albs 

 

In a word -- yes!  Apart from freezing those workers pay for a couple of years ( forgetting that many departments have had pay freezes for the last two as well) they are loooking for departmental cuts of 25% over the next 4 years (on top of the 10% last year and the 15% this year) ---- how to achieve that Get rid of front line workers -- naturally the overpaid box tickers at the top are safe !!!!   

[HolyCount]

I am content ( can't say "happy" !) with the VAT rises ... after all the majority of a family spend (food & kids clothes) are unaffected.

Would like to have seen the "scroungers charter" tackled. The majority of benefits alterations have been aimed at those with kids and the upcoming DLA changes at the disabled ( OK some aren't really entitled, but we have to wait the four years for them to be weeded out) --- long term, habitual, "career" unemployed have got off scot-free! 

[TheBoy]

freezing those workers pay for a couple of years ( forgetting that many departments have had pay freezes for the last two as well) they are loooking for departmental cuts of 25% over the next 4 years (on top of the 10% last year and the 15% this year) ---- how to achieve that

Remember the private sector have been suffering that for longer - only not pay freezes, but pay cuts (or pay freeze, but longer hours in the case of Mrs TheBoy).

Its about time the unions and workers for the public sector wake up to reality!

[albitz]

Not arguing in favour of rich crooks, although tax avoidance (as opposed to evasion) is perfectly legal and therefore completely different.
I personally know several people on DLA with nothing wrong with them, and I would imagine most people know at least one similar person. It is theft (of my money) and it must cost the exchequer billions annually.
I am convinced that Liebore allowed it to carry on as a matter of unspoken policy, as its a way of having a lot of workshy long term unemployed without it showing in the proper statistics.
The worst thing about it is it denies funds for genuinely disabled people and it also inevitably leads to some degree of  them all being tarred with the same brush.
Starve the shirkers.

and neither am I supporting those who scam benefits - just putting it in perspective........ironically taxpayer funded banks are generally the worst tax evaders (Barclays at least aren't taxpayer funded - didn't want the treasury looking too closely at their books if you ask me  )- seems they're quick to take, slower to give 

incidentally, clamping down on a few £m of benefit cheat money will save little as any new structure or practice to dishing out benefits will surely cost £m's to implement....or are they planning on having less staff rolling out the new regs, obviously they'll not be trained properly (no money) leading to mispayments, errors, fraud - takes money to save money Albs 

 

They arent really taxpayer funded banks anymore. The share prices have gone past the threshold (certainly with Lloyds and RBS) whereby the gov. could sell their shares and get their money back, so we are actually now starting to see a return on our investment.
The Gov. wont suddenly sell all the shares of course as that would flood the market and cause them to crash again, but they will probably drip feed some of the shares onto the market to bring in some revenue, and then at some point in the future sell the remainder for a nice healthy profit for the taxpayer - money well spent you see.
As for spending money to save money - if we need to spend money to get the workshy and the breakless of thier arses and off the backs of the taxpayers then imo that would be the best long term investment the country could make.
Personally I would round them up stick them all on a remote island somwhere off the coast and forget about them. 

[Mr Skrunts]

I think one of the biggest screw ups was dropping the mortgage interest rate as low as they did.

Yes it made for more people wanting to get on the ladder ffor thier 1st home and others to move up th ladder, the good things were the building trade took off, this in turn upped demand in the transport and supply train.  In turn more money in the houshold kitty, more spending, better buying power for shops meant cheaper prices and expansion, with more jobs etc etc

But in reality, what has the lower mortgage rate prooved, yes it got people off the dole and into work, till the work ran out, people started to live within thier means but have not anticipated mortgage increases.  etc etc.

The governent allowed this low interest rate and as a short term thing it was good, long term I believe this has been part and parcel of the problems we are now having to pay off.

They are all full of excuses, and no matter what they get right they will allways get plenty wrong, allways have done and allways will.

[HolyCount]

freezing those workers pay for a couple of years ( forgetting that many departments have had pay freezes for the last two as well) they are loooking for departmental cuts of 25% over the next 4 years (on top of the 10% last year and the 15% this year) ---- how to achieve that

Remember the private sector have been suffering that for longer - only not pay freezes, but pay cuts (or pay freeze, but longer hours in the case of Mrs TheBoy).

Its about time the unions and workers for the public sector wake up to reality!

Public vs Private sector comparisons are, however, fatally flawed. It depends on which part of each sector you work in (the devil is in the detail). In my case, I work in the public sector and the Countess in the private sector. I have seen my pay rise by 12% over the last 5 years ... hers has gone up by just over 30%. Incidentally the numbers in my office have dropped from around 20 five years ago to 6 full timers and 3 part timers --- throughput and targets have increased regardless.

Bankers have done OK ---- Tesco shelf stackers have been rooked!

Public sector box tickers are alright jack -- the poor sod at the "coal face" is being done over!

Everything depends on where you look.

[Varche]

Didn't see anything to make the banks start lending again. That would help the economy.

BANKS LEND MONEY.

Didn't see anything to reverse the much maligned Labour tax raid on pensions (perhaps the Tories have conveniently forgotten how they whittled on  and on about that)

Also not too happy about having to work till I am 120 years old!

[Martin_1962]

Disabled drivers - I live next to one.

Got a hinge type knee joint, and has to have a tall car to get in and out of.

He was shot quite a few years ago in it.

Ex military

[Dishevelled Den]

Not arguing in favour of rich crooks, although tax avoidance (as opposed to evasion) is perfectly legal and therefore completely different.
I personally know several people on DLA with nothing wrong with them, and I would imagine most people know at least one similar person. It is theft (of my money) and it must cost the exchequer billions annually.
I am convinced that Liebore allowed it to carry on as a matter of unspoken policy, as its a way of having a lot of workshy long term unemployed without it showing in the proper statistics.
The worst thing about it is it denies funds for genuinely disabled people and it also inevitably leads to some degree of  them all being tarred with the same brush.
Starve the shirkers.

and neither am I supporting those who scam benefits - just putting it in perspective........ironically taxpayer funded banks are generally the worst tax evaders (Barclays at least aren't taxpayer funded - didn't want the treasury looking too closely at their books if you ask me  )- seems they're quick to take, slower to give 

incidentally, clamping down on a few £m of benefit cheat money will save little as any new structure or practice to dishing out benefits will surely cost £m's to implement....or are they planning on having less staff rolling out the new regs, obviously they'll not be trained properly (no money) leading to mispayments, errors, fraud - takes money to save money Albs 

 

They arent really taxpayer funded banks anymore. The share prices have gone past the threshold (certainly with Lloyds and RBS) whereby the gov. could sell their shares and get their money back, so we are actually now starting to see a return on our investment.
The Gov. wont suddenly sell all the shares of course as that would flood the market and cause them to crash again, but they will probably drip feed some of the shares onto the market to bring in some revenue, and then at some point in the future sell the remainder for a nice healthy profit for the taxpayer - money well spent you see.
As for spending money to save money - if we need to spend money to get the workshy and the breakless of thier arses and off the backs of the taxpayers then imo that would be the best long term investment the country could make.
Personally I would round them up stick them all on a remote island somwhere off the coast and forget about them. 

money well spent you see

Should we congratulate the former Primie Minister on his foresight in this case A? :-/ :-/

[Dishevelled Den]

Didn't see anything to make the banks start lending again. That would help the economy.

BANKS LEND MONEY.

Didn't see anything to reverse the much maligned Labour tax raid on pensions (perhaps the Tories have conveniently forgotten how they whittled on  and on about that)

Also not too happy about having to work till I am 120 years old!

BANKS LEND MONEY.

Undoubtedly so V, but it must be paid back - can this very necessary part of the equation be relied upon now and in the future?

Part of this financial problem rests with the banks having previously lent money hand over fist - apparently when allowing a rather lax risk assessment culture to flourish - can they now be depended upon to learn from past mistakes?

Sometimes the availability of ready money is a bad thing.

[Mr Skrunts]

and now the scamming starts with the emails.

Have_a SocialSecurity disability_claim?  :-/