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[Lizzie_Zoom]

Just in case my "For Sale - Confused" is not read by you, I repeat the following:

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Mr Skruntie wrote on Yesterday at 23:40:
All pick on Lizzie time (Again) sorry but I get the distict feeling some of you just dont like the ladies makeing coment in a male orientated area.

It's general chat and a valid point, H21 went out of his way to update the posting rules and all Lizzie has done is point the point that the comments were not car related, Which is a valid point and distracting from the thread.

Making rules and making them adhered to is an Admin job thats correct, but bending those rules to suit makes for interesting points of conversation.  Plus putting lizzie down (Tunnie and Chris) just because you are friends of Admin is not what the forum is about either.

Not trying to cause conflict, just my view as I see it.




Thanks Skruntie for backing me up!   

Yes I do feel now that I am not required on here (I did alert Daz at the start of the thread about STMO's unwelcome rudeness (Yet again) and at least Daz did something about it  ), and I think that now, like maybe the other ladies who have departed the OOF,  my personality does not suit the Forum .

Yes I am a strong minded individual who will push my belief and conviction (35 years of business managerial training!) to the utmost.  I am used to doing that in a professional environment, where comment is in line with Company Regulations and Guidelines, whilst maybe still strong, is neverless kept polite and professional.  I sincerely apologise to all if this approach is not to their liking on the OOF.

Anyway it is clear that I am the problem here, not the solution to the "broken Forums" woes as widely published by the Admins only a few weeks ago.  Therefore whilst NOT leaving the OOF I will now hibernate and only use it for reference.

Frankly posting on the OOF has become too much like hard work and always under the threat of upset (this time with first STMO being most insulting, then Ht21, even though he was the one who stressed the need to stick to the guidelines; sorry Ht21 for wasting your time last night!)

I have tried to help fellow members either on the Help Sections or physically with their cars and motoring needs.  But obviously I still do not fit in, especially with a little gang that have formed on here in my time, so after 13,134 posts I move on .

All the very best to all, and especially the OOF that will eventually have to find its path that will satisfy the admins and members alike. 

[Mysteryman]

After 13,134 posts, you STILL do not understand the difference between rudeness and banter. You get the same from me as everyone else does, I do not single you out for special treatment. If you feel that you cannot cope with that, then I will ignore your posts in future, but I suggest you start to realise that the real world is not a rose garden and the real world is where most of us live.
This is the second/third time we have heard you say that you will stay in the background, only to find you posting away in Gen chat, and no one has said anything. I have left twice and come back, but you couldn't let me forget that.

As for H21's input, he is right, you should mind your own business, you are not a mod, and neither is Skruntie.

[Entwood]

STMO .. yet another rude put down where you seem to think you can say what you like under the heading "banter" .. its not banter from you ...  its pure rudeness.

Your "idea" of good forum behaviour seems to be "hit the quote button - make a disparaging remark"

I didn't miss your absence ..and it seems remarkedly coincidental that the arguments about swearing, rudeness, pettiness and which rule should apply today... have only resurfaced since your return.

I'm not a Mod or an Admin, but I'm entitled to a view, and mine is that you cause more problems than you solve.

If you feel that you cannot cope with that, then I will ignore your posts in future, but I suggest you start to realise that the real world is not a rose garden and the real world is where most of us live.

As for H21's input, he is right, you should mind your own business, you are not a mod, and neither is Skruntie.

 ... feel free to take your own advice.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Time for a chill pill guys.
I like both Lizzie and Steve.....Lizzie is both articulate and erudite and very..... very sexy....
In my opinion....Steve is one of the good guys. He  likes a joke and a laugh.....but is not malicious. He is just a likeable rogue really.
So come on you two .....have a big kiss ....and make up

[Omegatoy]

dont normaly comment on this type of thing, but i have to say stmo posts are just banter the way i read them? sure some are strong and can be taken 2 or 3 different ways?, but he is the same with everyone on here so personally i think Liz has just taken it the wrong way? which is easy to do in the written word as opposed to speaking face to face?
to sum up come on Liz chill and relax, dont let it get you down!
Stmo keep it up no need to change the way you comment at all
jm2pw

[Del Boy]

If it's the way Lizzie feels, then I think we have to respect her opinion and her choice to stay in the background, as they say you can't help the way you feel. Yes, it is a shame, but ultimately it's Lizzie's choice so she will and can do what she would like to do 

All the best LZ, I'm sure I'll see you around sometime soon 

[Gaffers]

As someone who works in an environment where banter is rife and, as a manager, causes me disciplinary problems to sort out on a regular basis, I feel well placed to offer an olive branch to all here.

As previosuly mentionned banter can be taken different ways by different people and if someone does not like it then they should privately ask the offender to desist as it is unwelcome.  Having 1k,2k or 13k+ posts does not qualify someone for banter or abuse it is personality dependant as to how they will take it. 

Thus if you know that someone does not take banter well then you shouldn't abuse them and say that because they have been here a while they should just take it.  Sorry, but I feel that is a moronic attitude towards light humour and a quick way to upset people.

Also rules are for mods/admins to enforce.  Nothing stops members alerting mods to enfringments or even complaining about unwanten abuse.  We should be thankful that the people who run this site actually do a lot to make, amend and enforce rules as they see fit.  It wont please everyone all of the time, that is impossible, but the rules are worded to ensure a pleasant, safe and fun forum for all people regardless of background or gender. 

I dont feel that the lack of female members has anything to do with people on here but more with a general lack of interest in car forums amoung the female fraternity.  We shouldn't bend over backwards to bring them in nor should we ostrecise them either.

Everyone is equal here, except Daz, he deserves banter 

Now lets all go back to getting along 

[Banjax]

wait a sec.....Skruntie's the good guy in this? Have I skipped an episode? 

Lizzie - you just need a new tin hat, I'd miss your erudite posts and views on the world

[Sixstring]

Don't go Lizzie..........I'll miss you!!!

[Mr Skrunts]

Lizzie in all fairness is backing H21 with the new rules implemented.  She posted posted comment yesterday, and 2 forum members started to pull her down for it.

In all fairness, lizzie and H21 should have been the only ones left to comment.  I stuck for Lizzie when one of these members started using four letter words in the reply.

Sorry guys, I dont think the problem here at times really get focused on, in this situation I fell Lizzie is getting aggro for all the wrong reasons, it seems that certain people can say and do what they want, where it seems others cant comment on something that should be right, but isnt.

[The Red Baron]

totally agree skruntie. its a shame when the forum lowers itself to these levels that one of our best & most informative posters decides they have had enough. what a great shame. come on people. 

[webby23]

I am not saying a word on this, other than I hope Lizzie hangs around and I think rules are there for all of us to obey, and Admins should lead by example

 

[Del Boy]

I am not saying a word on this, other than I hope Lizzie hangs around and I think rules are there for all of us to obey, and Admins should lead by example

 

Well said 

[hercules]

well ive always thought lizzie is a thoroughly nice woman and if all these nice comments are being read(and im sure she is peruseing)come on woman and i emphasise woman as my wife is the most stubborn bitch born and women dont back down or go quietly..you must have to have the last word

[Mr Skrunts]

I am not saying a word on this, other than I hope Lizzie hangs around and I think rules are there for all of us to obey, and Admins should lead by example

 

Well said 

Totally agree, and the fact that Lizzie is not an ex member please me greatly.