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[Bent valve]

Try working Offshore (Oil Rigs, Ships). H&S is paramount. All work & i mean all work you do has to have permit.
I have no problems with H&S Offshore, but some of what we have to do in the normal work place is just plain stupid.
H.S.E have to introduce new rules & regs to justify their existance.

After Piper Alpha nobody is taking any chances, and quite rightly so

[shaggydog]

On Corus sites you are not allowed to use mobiles whilst driving including hands free. It's a uphill battle reporting contractors on site seen using phones, who are then removed from site.

[Bent valve]

On Corus sites you are not allowed to use mobiles whilst driving including hands free. It's a uphill battle reporting contractors on site seen using phones, who are then removed from site.

I bet its more than your jobs worth to not report them as well

[Phil]

I bet its more than your jobs worth to not report them as well

Lot of building sites use the 'don't walk by', its right, how would you feel if you saw someone doing something that 'isn't right', ignored it and their actions injured someone??

To be honest if i followed every letter of the the law, and yes HSE 'rules' are law, then i would never be able to work, HOWEVER if you use common sense you can use it to your advantage.

Working at height is very dangerous, but if you assess the risk and take 'adequate precautions' its still dangerous but you have reuced the likelyhood and probability.

Just as a final note, more people have died on UK construction sites in the last 9 years than UK soldiers have died in Afghanistan - sobering thought isn't it, your just off to earn a few £ and there is the same chance you will not come home as if you are ducking live rounds?

[Lizzie_Zoom]

When it comes to "site safety" I will always think of the Belgium farmers.

Why?  Because every year one or two get killed when they plough up a live shell, one of the estimated 10,000,000 uxb's, buried in their fields from the Great War.

The land has to be farmed, so no H&S for them!

[Dishevelled Den]

When it comes to "site safety" I will always think of the Belgium farmers.

Why?  Because every year one or two get killed when they plough up a live shell, one of the estimated 10,000,000 uxb's, buried in their fields from the Great War.

The land has to be farmed, so no H&S for them!

The war to end all wars, the war that cut short so many lives and maimed countless others, still reverberates to this day.

What an inconceivable waste of life and resources.

[CaptainZok]

When it comes to "site safety" I will always think of the Belgium farmers.

Why?  Because every year one or two get killed when they plough up a live shell, one of the estimated 10,000,000 uxb's, buried in their fields from the Great War.

The land has to be farmed, so no H&S for them!

The war to end all wars, the war that cut short so many lives and maimed countless others, still reverberates to this day.

What an inconceivable waste of life and resources.

They all are Zu but mankind hasn't seen fit to stop having them yet.

[Bent valve]

When it comes to "site safety" I will always think of the Belgium farmers.

Why?  Because every year one or two get killed when they plough up a live shell, one of the estimated 10,000,000 uxb's, buried in their fields from the Great War.

The land has to be farmed, so no H&S for them!

Thats terrible! you would think with todays technology they would be able to scan the fields to say, 3 feet deep with a metal detector or something fixed ahead of the plough to avoid being blown to bits

[Dishevelled Den]

When it comes to "site safety" I will always think of the Belgium farmers.

Why?  Because every year one or two get killed when they plough up a live shell, one of the estimated 10,000,000 uxb's, buried in their fields from the Great War.

The land has to be farmed, so no H&S for them!

The war to end all wars, the war that cut short so many lives and maimed countless others, still reverberates to this day.

What an inconceivable waste of life and resources.

They all are Zu but mankind hasn't seen fit to stop having them yet.

No doubt about that Zed and there will be a few to come yet.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

When it comes to "site safety" I will always think of the Belgium farmers.

Why?  Because every year one or two get killed when they plough up a live shell, one of the estimated 10,000,000 uxb's, buried in their fields from the Great War.

The land has to be farmed, so no H&S for them!

Thats terrible! you would think with todays technology they would be able to scan the fields to say, 3 feet deep with a metal detector or something fixed ahead of the plough to avoid being blown to bits

The trouble is BV the munitions are all over the place, at depth and near / on the surface.  Most of them that become visable are carefully moved to the side of the field (a practice also undertaken in Northern France) for the bomb squad to remove on a regular basis.  These piles grow quite quickly due to the numbers of munitions recovered.  Everywhere you go there is visable evidence of shells, grenades, bullets, sometimes still on their clips, and many other bits and pieces, including bones. 

It would be virtually impossible for the farmers to attempt to seek everyone of the 10 million pieces of munitions still in the ground, or above; as I once found an unexploded 15" shell in a forest that I could sit on!! So they just take the risk when ploughing!

[Amigo]

Its the same sort of thing for my dad, been a builder for 40+ years but now has to take courses to work on a building site, all of which cost him money.

What a joke. 

Why society cannot accept somebody's experience and knowledge as all the qualifications they need is beyond me!

Sorry but you are both wrong, although someone may have been doing something for a number of years, doesn't mean they are doing it right.

Things change and move on, without training how will they know?

I have been around building sites since i could walk and still in the industry, i have seen many changes, yes somethings may seem over the top, but if it saves 1 life surley that is far more important??

I am currently working on the main Olympic Stadium in Stratford, the aim of the project is to be the FIRST EVER main stadium in the modern olympics to be built without killing ONE worker

Simple goal but obviously very difficult to achieve as its never been done before!

Its not just an insurance thing its saving people getting injured, if you care to ignore that then when YOU have and accident at work don't go blaming everyone else because you couldn't be ar5ed to listen. Oh and remeber your failure is likely to get the people above you in court or maybe in jail.

Yes things move on progress etc. That DOES NOT mean patronizing retraining is needed every step of the way. Whether you build, wire, plumb houses, fix cars, produce steel, drive a truck, work a lathe, bake bread, type letters, nurse ill folk, anything, experience will be part of broadening your career. You are wrong & not needed. Not opinion, FACT. If you're such an expert did you know every HGV driver now has to sit so many hours a year on our own unpaid time on a saturday morning at our bosses expense being told what we've known for donkeys years which is part of an NVQ leading to a CPC. This is ongoing....like forever....& if i/we don't confirm our HGV licences will be invalid in sept 2014(yes those of you with dormant licences take note, you'll lose them) so have to be resat which by then will probably involve Uni & a degree & MDTM who'se an established engineer will still need your permission/approval to use a soldering iron...FFS! Who made you a flipping expert? If you had half the savvy you think you've got you'd have a REAL job yourself & not need to interfere with ours.
   YOU ARE NOT IMPORTANT & MAKE NO DIFFERENCE.....GO AWAY.  Sorry for the rant but i live & work in the real world & have just about had enough of this self esteemed idocy. Credit us who actually know what we're doing with a little common sense please.

[Amigo]

Its the same sort of thing for my dad, been a builder for 40+ years but now has to take courses to work on a building site, all of which cost him money.

What a joke. 

Why society cannot accept somebody's experience and knowledge as all the qualifications they need is beyond me!

Sorry but you are both wrong, although someone may have been doing something for a number of years, doesn't mean they are doing it right.

Things change and move on, without training how will they know?

I have been around building sites since i could walk and still in the industry, i have seen many changes, yes somethings may seem over the top, but if it saves 1 life surley that is far more important??

I am currently working on the main Olympic Stadium in Stratford, the aim of the project is to be the FIRST EVER main stadium in the modern olympics to be built without killing ONE worker

Simple goal but obviously very difficult to achieve as its never been done before!

Its not just an insurance thing its saving people getting injured, if you care to ignore that then when YOU have and accident at work don't go blaming everyone else because you couldn't be ar5ed to listen. Oh and remeber your failure is likely to get the people above you in court or maybe in jail.

Yes things move on progress etc. That DOES NOT mean patronizing retraining is needed every step of the way. Whether you build, wire, plumb houses, fix cars, produce steel, drive a truck, work a lathe, bake bread, type letters, nurse ill folk, anything, experience will be part of broadening your career. You are wrong & not needed. Not opinion, FACT. If you're such an expert did you know every HGV driver now has to sit so many hours a year on our own unpaid time on a saturday morning at our bosses expense being told what we've known for donkeys years which is part of an NVQ leading to a CPC. This is ongoing....like forever....& if i/we don't confirm our HGV licences will be invalid in sept 2014(yes those of you with dormant licences take note, you'll lose them) so have to be resat which by then will probably involve Uni & a degree & MDTM who'se an established engineer will still need your permission/approval to use a soldering iron...FFS! Who made you a flipping expert? If you had half the savvy you think you've got you'd have a REAL job yourself & not need to interfere with ours.
   YOU ARE NOT IMPORTANT & MAKE NO DIFFERENCE.....GO AWAY.  Sorry for the rant but i live & work in the real world & have just about had enough of this self esteemed idiocy. Credit us who actually know what we're doing with a little common sense please.

Oh & while we're at it at yesterdays ridiculous induction the bloke on the video who was SO concerned with our health & safety was'nt wearing any PPE but wandering all over the site. No boots, hardhat, goggles hi vis vest, gloves. & we're supposed to take him & others like him seriously?
   

[Kevin Wood]

Credit us who actually know what we're doing with a little common sense please.

.. and there's the root of the problem.

Kevin

[BigAl]

My wife told me today that she can't treat children because she's not trained for it.  She's been a (SRN) nurse for 35 years and has brought up two girls, run youth groups, been first aider at school sports days bla bla bla.  Has about 12 CRBs on the go.

This country will disappear up its own backside before long.

And if they didn't do the check on everyone and let the one person through who turns out to be a kiddy fiddler, how long would it be before you were on here banginig on about it?

Its done for a reason, long term sevice means nothing unfortunately

I was tending to give you the benefit of the doubt - until you played the daily mail joker

[Bent valve]

Credit us who actually know what we're doing with a little common sense please.

.. and there's the root of the problem.

Kevin

He's right, that is the root of the problem. for every one person who knows what he's doing and has a bit of common sense, there are 2 thick bastards who DO need educating