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Nickbat

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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy?
« Reply #105 on: 12 September 2010, 19:18:41 »

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Its actually very unlikely that Bush was at that time the democratically elected president. Does anyone remembr the unseemly shambles in Florida - where iirc his brother was the governor ? ;)
I saw part of a documentary on 9/11 on TV last night, in which they showed an interview with the man who owned the towers (or CEO of the company which owned them ?) recoreded about a year after the event.
He said " I took a call from the fire chief, and he said the fires were out of control, they were going to have to pull the buildings".
"Pull the building" is an industry term for controlled demolition.
This could sound suspicious and add to conspiricy theories, but I would like to know how they organised and staged the controlled demolition of 2 of the worlds tallest buildings in the space of a couple of hours ? ;)
The explanation Lizzie gave is spot on imo. The floors were reinforced (prestressed ?) concrete which sat on steel girders. Once one floor fell onto the next floor there was then twice the weight to fall onto the one below that and so on......
I worked in the manufacture of concrete floors for 20 years, and have seen floors collapse (albeit on a much smaller scale) with very similar results.
Having said all that, they did appear to come down in a very neat and tidy fashion, and for that to happen twice in the same day would take a level of expertise infinitely higher than mine to conclusively explain. :-/

My post above from the fire chief explains the use of this term. Pull the buildings does not mean controlled demolition (at least, not in the NYFD), but rather pull out and leaving the buildings to their fate, as intimated in the transcript.  :y
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« Reply #106 on: 12 September 2010, 19:20:55 »

Ok ok ive changed my mind....yes its so much more plausible that three terrorists hijacked three planes and flew them into well guarded American landmarks.

Defying all of america's intelligence services,dodging there massive air defence and then being careless and dropping a passport at ground zero...what a silly billy he was. ::)

Well that's so much more believable....... ::)

Plain fact people..this crime is such a hideous occurrence people just simply do not want too believe its possible.

Only in them there foreigner counties it happens... :-X

Yep i can feel the change....Baaaa Baaaa Baaaaa
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Nickbat

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« Reply #107 on: 12 September 2010, 19:22:35 »

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excuse me but did you read my eyewitness post ?

You've posted a few. Which one, specifically?
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steve_daly

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« Reply #108 on: 12 September 2010, 19:23:21 »

Operation Northwoods spings to mind, kind of makes the whole 9/11 conspiracy more plausable.


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cem_devecioglu

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« Reply #109 on: 12 September 2010, 19:24:02 »

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excuse me but did you read my eyewitness post ?

You've posted a few. Which one, specifically?

this one :
some eyewitnesses say :

"It [WTC 2] started exploding," said Ross Milanytch, 57, who works at nearby Chase Manhattan Bank. "It was about the 70th floor. And each second another floor exploded out for about eight floors, before the cloud obscured it all." [ASNE] "I saw small explosions on each floor." [Wing TV]

"It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down." [Ed Cachia - Firefighter [Engine 53]]

One eyewitness whose office is near the World Trade Center told AFP that he was standing among a crowd of people on Church Street, about two-and-a-half blocks from the South tower, when he saw "a number of brief light sources being emitted from inside the building between floors 10 and 15." He saw about six of these brief flashes, accompanied by "a crackling sound" before the tower collapsed. Each tower had six central support columns. [American Free Press]

"We were there I don't know, maybe 10, 15 minutes and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions." [Rich Banaciski - Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.)]

"When I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, ..I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down."

Q. "Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?"

A. "No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me… He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too." [Stephen Gregory - Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)]

"Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building." [Karin Deshore - Captain (E.M.S.)]

The scientific paper Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe conclusively shows the presence of unignited aluminothermic explosives in dust samples from the Twin Towers, whose chemical signature matches previously documented aluminothermic residues found in the same dust samples.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html
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Nickbat

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« Reply #110 on: 12 September 2010, 19:24:55 »

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Ok ok ive changed my mind....yes its so much more plausible that three terrorists hijacked three planes and flew them into well guarded American landmarks.

Defying all of america's intelligence services,dodging there massive air defence and then being careless and dropping a passport at ground zero...what a silly billy he was. ::)

Well that's so much more believable....... ::)

Plain fact people..this crime is such a hideous occurrence people just simply do not want too believe its possible.

Only in them there foreigner counties it happens... :-X

Yep i can feel the change....Baaaa Baaaa Baaaaa

Just a quickie, but can you tell me exactly why it is impossible to find a passport in the debris?  :-?
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cem_devecioglu

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« Reply #111 on: 12 September 2010, 19:27:52 »

lets assume some idiots hijack the airplanes  in a controlled-prepared environment , even if thats true
those planes (as proved-explained) wont be enough as the wtc is designed to withstand..

you will need many of those airplanes ;D
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Lizzie_Zoom

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« Reply #112 on: 12 September 2010, 19:28:43 »

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Lizzie ignoring the Twin towers...please explain how building 7 collapsed. :y

Excuse me, Lizzie. May I??



Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years

" ...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o'clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o'clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse."

Firehouse: "Was there heavy fire in there right away?"

Hayden: "No, not right away, and that's probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn't make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety."
 :y



Exactly what I would have said Nick thanks ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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cem_devecioglu

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« Reply #113 on: 12 September 2010, 19:33:34 »

ok Nick and Lizzie.. arena is yours .. I'm off as Turkey-Usa final is nearly starting.. shoot as you please ;D :y
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steve_daly

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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy?
« Reply #114 on: 12 September 2010, 19:38:37 »

New York was uber unlucky that day. 3 steel framed towers collapse after fires and yet no other steel framed buildings have been recorded doing so either before or since that day, anywhere...
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Lizzie_Zoom

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« Reply #115 on: 12 September 2010, 19:44:53 »

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New York was uber unlucky that day. 3 steel framed towers collapse after fires and yet no other steel framed buildings have been recorded doing so either before or since that day, anywhere...


But as I and others have stated the Towers were designed to a new and unique concept; there was no internal steel frame as in all other sky scrappers ;) ;)


Their frame was in the perimeter walls and across in the floor beams to a central support structure, with large concrete slabs on top of each structure to form the flloors.  That is what buckled and gave way in an "explosive" fashion as each hanger for each beam failed with the extreme heat, and hundreds of thousands of tons fell onto the floor below, gaining momentum as that load increased to hundreds of thousands of tons, with debris like plaster board, fixtures, fittings, bodies, were ejected in the hundreds of miles per hour compression of ech floor. :'( :'(
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« Reply #116 on: 12 September 2010, 19:45:00 »

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Ok ok ive changed my mind....yes its so much more plausible that three terrorists hijacked three planes and flew them into well guarded American landmarks.

Defying all of america's intelligence services,dodging there massive air defence and then being careless and dropping a passport at ground zero...what a silly billy he was. ::)

Well that's so much more believable....... ::)

Plain fact people..this crime is such a hideous occurrence people just simply do not want too believe its possible.

Only in them there foreigner counties it happens... :-X

Yep i can feel the change....Baaaa Baaaa Baaaaa

Just a quickie, but can you tell me exactly why it is impossible to find a passport in the debris?  :-?


Jesus H Christ mate...the bloody steel frame building must have burnt at incredible temperature too collapse if you believe the guff from the government.

The plane is seen too explode into a mass fireball (not gaurnteed but good chance its gonna burn) then thousands of tons of rumble.

Yet a paper passport doesn't catch fire...... ;D ;D ;D

Mate ive nearly wet me self laughing.... ;D
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Nickbat

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« Reply #117 on: 12 September 2010, 19:51:33 »

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Ok ok ive changed my mind....yes its so much more plausible that three terrorists hijacked three planes and flew them into well guarded American landmarks.

Defying all of america's intelligence services,dodging there massive air defence and then being careless and dropping a passport at ground zero...what a silly billy he was. ::)

Well that's so much more believable....... ::)

Plain fact people..this crime is such a hideous occurrence people just simply do not want too believe its possible.

Only in them there foreigner counties it happens... :-X

Yep i can feel the change....Baaaa Baaaa Baaaaa

Just a quickie, but can you tell me exactly why it is impossible to find a passport in the debris?  :-?


Jesus H Christ mate...the bloody steel frame building must have burnt at incredible temperature too collapse if you believe the guff from the government.

Yet a paper passport doesn't catch fire...... ;D ;D ;D

Mate ive nearly wet me self laughing.... ;D

The hijacker was in the cockpit. Deceleration from 400-odd mph to zero in a few meters will propel items forward at huge force (see debris flying out of the WTC on the side opposite to first impact). Being in the cockpit at the front of the aircraft, it is highly plausible that the hijacker's body, of parts thereof, would have been ejected forward and through the opposite wall, with clothing and contents being ripped off during that exit.

Still wetting yourself? ::)
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Lizzie_Zoom

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« Reply #118 on: 12 September 2010, 19:52:40 »

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Ok ok ive changed my mind....yes its so much more plausible that three terrorists hijacked three planes and flew them into well guarded American landmarks.

Defying all of america's intelligence services,dodging there massive air defence and then being careless and dropping a passport at ground zero...what a silly billy he was. ::)

Well that's so much more believable....... ::)

Plain fact people..this crime is such a hideous occurrence people just simply do not want too believe its possible.

Only in them there foreigner counties it happens... :-X

Yep i can feel the change....Baaaa Baaaa Baaaaa

Just a quickie, but can you tell me exactly why it is impossible to find a passport in the debris?  :-?


Jesus H Christ mate...the bloody steel frame building must have burnt at incredible temperature too collapse if you believe the guff from the government.

The plane is seen too explode into a mass fireball (not gaurnteed but good chance its gonna burn) then thousands of tons of rumble.

Yet a paper passport doesn't catch fire...... ;D ;D ;D

Mate ive nearly wet me self laughing.... ;D


Did all the office paper burn?  No. Because it was ejected by highly compressed air, that would also have ejected the passport, office fittings, plaster gypsum board, human bodies, etc. ;) ;)
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steve_daly

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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy?
« Reply #119 on: 12 September 2010, 19:55:09 »

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New York was uber unlucky that day. 3 steel framed towers collapse after fires and yet no other steel framed buildings have been recorded doing so either before or since that day, anywhere...


But as I and others have stated the Towers were designed to a new and unique concept; there was no internal steel frame as in all other sky scrappers ;) ;)


Their frame was in the perimeter walls and across in the floor beams to a central support structure, with large concrete slabs on top of each structure to form the flloors.  That is what buckled and gave way in an "explosive" fashion as each hanger for each beam failed with the extreme heat, and hundreds of thousands of tons fell onto the floor below, gaining momentum as that load increased to hundreds of thousands of tons, with debris like plaster board, fixtures, fittings, bodies, were ejected in the hundreds of miles per hour compression of ech floor. :'( :'(

Was WTC 7 constructed in the same way then?
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