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[feeutfo]

At this end of the market I always expect to be very careful where I keep a phone, left front pocket is phone only, keys and coins never in the same pocket, and never put a phone in a back pocket personaly, any sizeable screen WILL brake, and some small sturdy one too....

[TheBoy]

The problem with the I-phone, IMHO, is that it's too fragile to be used as a phone. Might be great as a mobile computing platform but as my main mobile phone it would last about a week.

My Boss' one has finally met its end today after about a year of gibberish phone calls from him, and a screen that has cracked and been repaired umpteen times. It's fine if you're going to treat it with kit gloves but if you ever go crawling under Omegas with your phone in your back pocket, etc. what's the point?

Think my Nokia 6300 will be staying for a while.

Kevin

To be honest, I think they are quite robust.  I'm not kind to phones, esp those with utter useless crappy poxy shitty hopeless pointless Vodafone SIMs in.

Its certainly far more robust that the crappy nasty hopeless buggy unusable fragile heap of HTC junk I had previously.

We use Incipio 'Feather' covers on the back, and screen protector on the front.

Signalwise, its on a par with the 3 HTCs I had previously, fractionally worse than a 6230i. Batterywise, with a good signal, about 2.5-3 days (3GS, 4 has better battery life) with my normal usage. Stick the utter useless crappy poxy shitty hopeless pointless Vodafone SIM in, it needs charging daily, again, not far from my old 6230i, and miles better (with good signal) that the HTCs. My 6210 beat all for signal and battery.


The more I use a gay, the more I realise its benefits (I originally got one to come out of the closet because it was perfect for the email system I use).  Its major, major downside is its Apple, and they truely are the scum of the earth, they dictate what you can use it for, as they are now trying to enforce on Mac ussers (glad I don't own one of them any more). And the insistence on having iTunes - a piece of software that happily, frequently wipes your device, including all Angry Birds data, Doodle Gods data, and Road Trip data. R-souls      . Then won't allow you to restore the recent backup, because you had downgraded to previous iOS (surely thats a Cisco trademark?) to overcome the wifi bug with 4.1, and had to go back to June      (because it had corrupted the backups in between).


Apple truely are R-souls of the highest order, but the phone (taken as a smart device) is probably the best out there for the majority of people, and certainly the best for me currently. Apple and idiotTunes let it down.

[cem_devecioglu]

here is a comparison..

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s_vs_apple_iphone_4-review-500.php

[aaronjb]

they dictate what you can use it for, as they are now trying to enforce on Mac ussers (glad I don't own one of them any more).

They are? How?

On the subject of the iOS trademark - it is still owned by Cisco, they've just licensed it (presumably for a large, undisclosed, sum of money) to Apple..

[TheBoy]

they dictate what you can use it for, as they are now trying to enforce on Mac ussers (glad I don't own one of them any more).

They are? How?

On the subject of the iOS trademark - it is still owned by Cisco, they've just licensed it (presumably for a large, undisclosed, sum of money) to Apple..

Same way as they do on (what are now called) iDevices - open an app store, and only allow those applications to run (and Apple decide what is and isn't allowed in that store).

[aaronjb]

When did they say you were only going to be able to install things from the app store, though?

I must have missed that announcement.

[feeutfo]

they dictate what you can use it for, as they are now trying to enforce on Mac ussers (glad I don't own one of them any more).

They are? How?

On the subject of the iOS trademark - it is still owned by Cisco, they've just licensed it (presumably for a large, undisclosed, sum of money) to Apple..

Same way as they do on (what are now called) iDevices - open an app store, and only allow those applications to run (and Apple decide what is and isn't allowed in that store).

There is a positive side to apples approach in that apps have to reach a certain standard and work as designed, some of the open source stuff is a joke, so not all bad, but a valid point ESP re cost as well.

[TheBoy]

When did they say you were only going to be able to install things from the app store, though?

I must have missed that announcement.

Read between the lines of their recent actions - they are not going to shout "We are repositioning to screw you over"


Firstly, remove the ability to run uncontrollable code via common cross-platform interpreters. The Apple v Adobe spat over Flash/Shockwave is well documented, but the start of the removal of Java from OSX isn't. Java's status has been marked as deprecated by Apple.

Then the industry's worse kept secret of the new Mac App Store as the primary software distribution method.  Now this is likely to piss off 'business class' Mac users, which is Mac's niche in life, but then Mr Jobs no longer has all his dogs on one lead, and believes his own hype.

[TheBoy]

they dictate what you can use it for, as they are now trying to enforce on Mac ussers (glad I don't own one of them any more).

They are? How?

On the subject of the iOS trademark - it is still owned by Cisco, they've just licensed it (presumably for a large, undisclosed, sum of money) to Apple..

Same way as they do on (what are now called) iDevices - open an app store, and only allow those applications to run (and Apple decide what is and isn't allowed in that store).

There is a positive side to apples approach in that apps have to reach a certain standard and work as designed, some of the open source stuff is a joke, so not all bad, but a valid point ESP re cost as well.

Trouble is, there are lots of excellent apps that Apple refuse to allow, purely because Apple themselves, or their partners, have something similar for sale. It seems a bit corrupt to me. Also, on iDevices, Apple say you can't run Flash, for example, thats no value to the user, just simply a way of protecting Apple's control.

[feeutfo]

they dictate what you can use it for, as they are now trying to enforce on Mac ussers (glad I don't own one of them any more).

They are? How?

On the subject of the iOS trademark - it is still owned by Cisco, they've just licensed it (presumably for a large, undisclosed, sum of money) to Apple..

Same way as they do on (what are now called) iDevices - open an app store, and only allow those applications to run (and Apple decide what is and isn't allowed in that store).

There is a positive side to apples approach in that apps have to reach a certain standard and work as designed, some of the open source stuff is a joke, so not all bad, but a valid point ESP re cost as well.

Trouble is, there are lots of excellent apps that Apple refuse to allow, purely because Apple themselves, or their partners, have something similar for sale. It seems a bit corrupt to me. Also, on iDevices, Apple say you can't run Flash, for example, thats no value to the user, just simply a way of protecting Apple's control.

Quite agree, two sides to it though  edit .bah, wrong smiley,  :-/ that's better

But generally, apps (just saying the words winds me up tbh) are all 'dangle berries' IMO. If it's an application worth having on the phone then it should be released in the phone at sale, the rest are just web pages in a different, well,  "folder" if it a web based. You tube does my nut, why does ot open in application? It's a flecking web page!

[TheBoy]

You tube does my nut, why does ot open in application? It's a flecking web page!

gayTube is for brain dead idiots - how many people email you mindless, tedious links that aren't funny - but Apple realise that stupid people are slowly becoming the majority.

However, because Apple ban Flash, and gayTube is realiant on Flash, it needs a dedicated app

[feeutfo]

You tube does my nut, why does ot open in application? It's a flecking web page!

gayTube is for brain dead idiots - how many people email you mindless, tedious links that aren't funny - but Apple realise that stupid people are slowly becoming the majority.

However, because Apple ban Flash, and gayTube is realiant on Flash, it needs a dedicated app

So whats in the you tube app other than flash? Have you noticed I don't care what it's called   

[TheBoy]

You tube does my nut, why does ot open in application? It's a flecking web page!

gayTube is for brain dead idiots - how many people email you mindless, tedious links that aren't funny - but Apple realise that stupid people are slowly becoming the majority.

However, because Apple ban Flash, and gayTube is realiant on Flash, it needs a dedicated app

So whats in the you tube app other than flash? Have you noticed I don't care what it's called   

Who knows, but guessing a wrappered up flash that cannot acees anything but gayLube videos.

[Lazydocker]

So, basically, I'm back where I started! I need to pop into one of the stores and have a play with all 3 but iPhone4 seems to have the edge over the competition for what I want.

As those who've been to my place know, mobile signal is woefully poor on all networks so whatever I get will need charging daily at a minimum! My e71, which is about 23 months old now, needs charging about 3 times in 48 Hours minimum now... It does give me a little concern when signing for a 24 month contract. I suppose I can always change the battery if needed.

Now I just need to find out what sort of deal my current network will give me... Been with 3 for about 4 years now and perfectly happy with the signal (most of the time) and I get a discount through work... Be interesting to see if they'll carry it on and give me a good enough deal to stay! Especially as I have 2 contracts and they're both up for renewal, although SWMBO says she's not fused about getting anything fancy as long as it's a Nokia!

[TheBoy]

So, basically, I'm back where I started! I need to pop into one of the stores and have a play with all 3 but iPhone4 seems to have the edge over the competition for what I want.

As those who've been to my place know, mobile signal is woefully poor on all networks so whatever I get will need charging daily at a minimum! My e71, which is about 23 months old now, needs charging about 3 times in 48 Hours minimum now... It does give me a little concern when signing for a 24 month contract. I suppose I can always change the battery if needed.

Now I just need to find out what sort of deal my current network will give me... Been with 3 for about 4 years now and perfectly happy with the signal (most of the time) and I get a discount through work... Be interesting to see if they'll carry it on and give me a good enough deal to stay! Especially as I have 2 contracts and they're both up for renewal, although SWMBO says she's not fused about getting anything fancy as long as it's a Nokia!

The gayPhone does struggle in poor signal. Most smartphones do. If you could possibly borrow one before signing up, that would be massively worthwhile