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[cem_devecioglu]

ok.. here you go.. do make a judgement

At least he didn't use the gun!

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[alfie]

There's nothing more a copper loves, than giving someone a bloodly good kicking,and getting paid double time for it. 

[Martin_1962]

The chap has cerebral palsy....
Did you see see him on BBC Breakfast this morning...by 'eck
certainly put his point over, well political, but I can't recall him mentioning the tuition fees at all. so why was he there in the first place. He basically said they will do it again until they get rid of this government. Does not seem like a peaceful protestor complaining about tutition fees to me !!!
Should not have been pulled out of his chair, but I wonder whether its a bit deeper than we are led to believe :-?

I noticed that - seemed to be demonstrating for the sake of demonstrating.

To be honest he should not have got involved in a big demo.

[Turk]

I'm on the polices side on this one. The guy appears to be a socialist on the verge of being an anarchist, and a very belligerant one at that. He says he doesn't want to be treated any differently because he's in a wheelchair, yet tries to make  the polices actions seem worse because he is in a wheelchair. What the hell was he doing there? I'd go so far as to say he set it up as a publicity stunt, trying to play on the fact that he's in a wheelchair, hoping softies fall for it. Well he's not getting my sympathy. I'm glad he got thrown out his wheelchair, I'd do the same. For us the general public like us who aren't privvy to all the facts, from the snippet of film it looks perfectly reasonable to, conflict resolution model and the concept of the use of minimum force taken into account.

You openly admit you would throw a disabled person from their wheel chair !?!

Re: The sentence after the 'I'm glad' comment. What exactly are you trying to say?  
Even tried reading it out loud to see if I can fathom it out, but it sounds even more confusing. :-/ 
 

[cem_devecioglu]

The chap has cerebral palsy....
Did you see see him on BBC Breakfast this morning...by 'eck
certainly put his point over, well political, but I can't recall him mentioning the tuition fees at all. so why was he there in the first place. He basically said they will do it again until they get rid of this government. Does not seem like a peaceful protestor complaining about tutition fees to me !!!Should not have been pulled out of his chair, but I wonder whether its a bit deeper than we are led to believe :-?

I noticed that - seemed to be demonstrating for the sake of demonstrating.

To be honest he should not have got involved in a big demo.

#1 crime can not be defined from a humans face or bare estimation..

#2 you can not keep people away from protests if they have any disability and you cant say those people "hey, you are disabled what the hell are you doing there"  .. similiar claims are made here for the girl who loose the baby.. and thats wrong..

its the police resposibility to behave according to their condition.. or are they blind

[Terbs]

A quick look on youtube brings this guy up on many occasions protesting about all sorts.
He was not at the demo to protest about tuition fees. He is a professional demonstator

[Turk]

A quick look on youtube brings this guy up on many occasions protesting about all sorts.
He was not at the demo to protest about tuition fees. He is a professional demonstator

Links ? 

[geoffr70]

I'm on the polices side on this one. The guy appears to be a socialist on the verge of being an anarchist, and a very belligerant one at that. He says he doesn't want to be treated any differently because he's in a wheelchair, yet tries to make  the polices actions seem worse because he is in a wheelchair. What the hell was he doing there? I'd go so far as to say he set it up as a publicity stunt, trying to play on the fact that he's in a wheelchair, hoping softies fall for it. Well he's not getting my sympathy. I'm glad he got thrown out his wheelchair, I'd do the same. For us the general public like us who aren't privvy to all the facts, from the snippet of film it looks perfectly reasonable to, conflict resolution model and the concept of the use of minimum force taken into account.

You openly admit you would throw a disabled person from their wheel chair !?!

Re: The sentence after the 'I'm glad' comment. What exactly are you trying to say?  
Even tried reading it out loud to see if I can fathom it out, but it sounds even more confusing. :-/ 
 

That's exactly what I'm saying.

And your reaction is exactly the kind of reaction that these people hoped for when they set up this publicity stunt.

You focus on a few sentences, picking and choosing what you quote, and take it in the wrong context, purposely for your own ends to try to twist things.

As has been said, the police have to make decisions quickly, the protestors (not all) are there for trouble, they admit that. Just because they are in a wheelchair doesn't mean he isn't a threat, there are many ways he could inflict pain or injury or someone. No one has considered that the copper might have tried to grab the wheel chair to turn him away but this ended up happening.

If I made a split second decision to throw someone out of a wheelchair (as an example), to protect myself if I perceived them as a threat, I'd do exactly that. I wouldn't necessarily be proud of it, but glad I did it to protect myself or others.

He is the aggressor, who has come off worse after someone employed self defence, now he doesn't like it. I think he's put his foot in it here.

Addition

I think it's perfectly obvious what I'm trying to say.

What exactly am I trying to say? It's all there.

I don't think you did read it out aloud at all!

Confusing? I don't think it is.

[Terbs]

A quick look on youtube brings this guy up on many occasions protesting about all sorts.
He was not at the demo to protest about tuition fees. He is a professional demonstator

Links ?

See my earlier post, mate

[Dishevelled Den]

There's nothing more a copper loves, than giving someone a bloodly good kicking,and getting paid double time for it. 

How can you say that Alfie - do you include me in your remarks and should you do, please justify them?

If you do not, then don't generalise by making wildly inflammatory and illogical statements.

[Turk]

I'm on the polices side on this one. The guy appears to be a socialist on the verge of being an anarchist, and a very belligerant one at that. He says he doesn't want to be treated any differently because he's in a wheelchair, yet tries to make  the polices actions seem worse because he is in a wheelchair. What the hell was he doing there? I'd go so far as to say he set it up as a publicity stunt, trying to play on the fact that he's in a wheelchair, hoping softies fall for it. Well he's not getting my sympathy. I'm glad he got thrown out his wheelchair, I'd do the same. For us the general public like us who aren't privvy to all the facts, from the snippet of film it looks perfectly reasonable to, conflict resolution model and the concept of the use of minimum force taken into account.

You openly admit you would throw a disabled person from their wheel chair !?!

Re: The sentence after the 'I'm glad' comment. What exactly are you trying to say?  
Even tried reading it out loud to see if I can fathom it out, but it sounds even more confusing. :-/ 
 

That's exactly what I'm saying.

And your reaction is exactly the kind of reaction that these people hoped for when they set up this publicity stunt.

You focus on a few sentences, picking and choosing what you quote, and take it in the wrong context, purposely for your own ends to try to twist things.

As has been said, the police have to make decisions quickly, the protestors (not all) are there for trouble, they admit that. Just because they are in a wheelchair doesn't mean he isn't a threat, there are many ways he could inflict pain or injury or someone. No one has considered that the copper might have tried to grab the wheel chair to turn him away but this ended up happening.

If I made a split second decision to throw someone out of a wheelchair (as an example), to protect myself if I perceived them as a threat, I'd do exactly that. I wouldn't necessarily be proud of it, but glad I did it to protect myself or others.

He is the aggressor, who has come off worse after someone employed self defence, now he doesn't like it. I think he's put his foot in it here.

Addition

I think it's perfectly obvious what I'm trying to say.

What exactly am I trying to say? It's all there.

I don't think you did read it out aloud at all!

Confusing? I don't think it is.

The guy can't even move his wheelchair by himself, he has to be pushed. What threat could he possibly pose. If he charged at them, all they'd have to do is turn him round and send him back the way he came. 

'He is the aggressor, who has come off worse after someone employed self defence, now he doesn't like it. The officer ran over to McIntyre in order to 'defend himself', yet another officer was already calmly walking towards McIntyre and was a couple of feet away from dealing with the issue.
And as for the'reading it aloud', yes I have.  I thought maybe I was being a bit slow, but the message still evades me. Maybe it's a punctuation or typo issue. I'm loosing it at 'from the snippet of film it looks perfectly reasonable to,'   Perfectly reasonable to what ?
Re-phrase it, maybe it'll sink in with me 

[Turk]

A quick look on youtube brings this guy up on many occasions protesting about all sorts.
He was not at the demo to protest about tuition fees. He is a professional demonstator

Links ?

See my earlier post, mate

Ah right. Cheers 

[TheBoy]

There's nothing more a copper loves, than giving someone a bloodly good kicking,and getting paid double time for it. 

I happen to work with an ex-copper who Maggie put in front of the miners back in the 1980s.

His accounts of his time there, admittedly mostly overtime etc, are wildly different to the way the media portrayed it.  Remember, the Police are 'establishment' and therfore make an easy, soft, sensationalist target for our Trailer Trash serving media.

[geoffr70]

Why is it taking so long to sink in?

I think I've made it quite clear what I think and what I'm trying to say.

I consider myself to be quite a peaceful person, idiots turn to uncontrolled violence, like many of these protestors. That said, yes someone in a wheelchair could reasonably be considered less of a threat than someone who has the use of their own legs. But, in accordance with the conflict resolution model, and the concept of the use of minimum force, I would take any action I thought necessary to defend myself against an aggressor, whether they're in a wheelchair or not.

I think the majority of right thinking people who have no political motives, points to score, or a dislike of the police would think this is entirely reasonable. You'd be daft not to.

[TheBoy]

Why is it taking so long to sink in?

I think I've made it quite clear what I think and what I'm trying to say.

I consider myself to be quite a peaceful person, idiots turn to uncontrolled violence, like many of these protestors. That said, yes someone in a wheelchair could reasonably be considered less of a threat than someone who has the use of their own legs. But, in accordance with the conflict resolution model, and the concept of the use of minimum force, I would take any action I thought necessary to defend myself against an aggressor, whether they're in a wheelchair or not.

I think the majority of right thinking people who have no political motives, points to score, or a dislike of the police would think this is entirely reasonable. You'd be daft not to.

And at the time that they beat 10 tonnes of crap out of him, how did they know he was disabled? I could sit in a wheelchair, and I'm not disabled (though some may say mentally)...