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[Nickbat]

"£500 on electricity bills to pay for green energy"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/greenpolitics/8205123/500-on-electricity-bills-to-pay-for-green-energy.html

More idiocy from Huhne = more pensioners freezing to death, higher inflation and stifled economic activity.

The man's a menace. 


PS. Who can spot the Photoshopping in the picture that accompanies the article? 

[Plomien]

I see no photo shopping just some pollution causing steam clouds

[Nickbat]

I see no photo shopping just some pollution causing steam clouds

 

Yeah, that steam's a real bu**er isn't it?

[Kevin Wood]

I see no photo shopping just some pollution causing steam clouds

 

Yeah, that steam's a real bu**er isn't it?

Just a shame it isn't a greenhouse gas.

..and from steam, to kettles.. Chocolate kettles, perhaps? Oh, we're back to Mr. Huhne, who is about as much use as one.

Kevin

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I certainly do not want to see higher energy bills.

However, what are the alternatives to what is proposed?  We need to produce more electricity to meet growing demands, and it has to be paid for.  Who else can pay for it other than the consumer who uses the energy.

As for the 'green' tag, well should we go back to coal power stations beltching out toxic fumes as we had as children in the 1940s/50s, and even town gas works gushing out sulphuric gases?

Building nuclear power stations, that I personally favour, is very expensive and we the consumer have to pay for it like we pay for everything else we gobble up.

Free energy is a thing of fantasy, with someone having to pay for the development and production costs.  The alternative is we stop using energy like there is no tomorrow, and cut out non-essential appliances that I have seen multiply tremendously since my childhood.  I suspect though that would not be very popular and practical!!

So, what is the alternative apart from leaving the planet?

[Banjax]

I don't think its photoshopped, the sun behind the thick cloud of steam is dark as its so dense as to be opaque 

and I agree with Liz - we're going to have to get used to paying more for everything that uses up fossil fuels, or use less - sad, unwelcome but nonetheless a fact 

[Kevin Wood]

I don't think its photoshopped, the sun behind the thick cloud of steam is dark as its so dense as to be opaque 

Hmm. Looks pretty false to me.

and I agree with Liz - we're going to have to get used to paying more for everything that uses up fossil fuels, or use less - sad, unwelcome but nonetheless a fact 

We need to do something. He's right about weaning us off imported gas and coal. That with bite us eventually. We desperately need more nuclear capacity, and should have embarked on that decades ago.

As to the mythical renewables, and paying operators to NOT generate anything... Photovoltaics were even mentioned on the radio this morning.. Has he looked at the sky recently?

I can see a lot of this extra cost being wasted on schemes that don't fly unless he finds some advisers who actually know how the electricity supply infrastructure works.

Kevin

[Dishevelled Den]

We need to do something. He's right about weaning us off imported gas and coal. That with bite us eventually. We desperately need more nuclear capacity, and should have embarked on that decades ago.


Kevin

I think a start would be to wean us off foriegn owned energy providers.

[Kevin Wood]

We need to do something. He's right about weaning us off imported gas and coal. That with bite us eventually. We desperately need more nuclear capacity, and should have embarked on that decades ago.


Kevin

I think a start would be to wean us off foriegn owned energy providers.

Another challenge altogether.

Kevin

[Lizzie_Zoom]

We need to do something. He's right about weaning us off imported gas and coal. That with bite us eventually. We desperately need more nuclear capacity, and should have embarked on that decades ago.


Kevin

I think a start would be to wean us off foriegn owned energy providers.

Why Zulu?

I do not care who develops the power stations and produces the energy, as long as it is all done efficiently and as economically as possible.

The contracts to build new power stations are put out for tender after all, and we as consumers can shop around for our gas and electricity as much as we like. 8-) 8-)

[Dishevelled Den]

I would suggest running an energy policy that suits the needs of this nation and to relegate the desire to appear to be one of the 'good' guys’ further down the list.

What else do we expect when we allow strategic infrastructure to be controlled by foreign owned providers and permit our national policy to be dictated by outside interests who operate to their own agenda?

All this breast-beating currently being displayed will simply will lead this country into an economic wasteland with all of us paying more than we need to for energy and having it rationed as and when needed by the providers after the installation of these 'smart' meters.

Anyone welcoming these possible increases should also be aware that a lot more than domestic bills will rise as increases experienced by any concern providing goods or services will most certainly be passed along to the consumer market.

An old adage suggests that if one bends over and assumes the position for a long enough someone will come along and shaft us for the privilege.

We are already paying through the nose for energy – why would we want to pay more?

[Kevin Wood]

Why Zulu?

Look at the case of Nuclear power. In a generation we have gone from being the pioneers to relying on buying-in any future nuclear infrastructure from the French!

Kevin

[Dishevelled Den]

We need to do something. He's right about weaning us off imported gas and coal. That with bite us eventually. We desperately need more nuclear capacity, and should have embarked on that decades ago.


Kevin

I think a start would be to wean us off foriegn owned energy providers.

Why Zulu?

I do not care who develops the power stations and produces the energy, as long as it is all done efficiently and as economically as possible.

The contracts to build new power stations are put out for tender after all, and we as consumers can shop around for our gas and electricity as much as we like. 8-) 8-)

Does shopping around really work to the consumers advantage in the long run Lizzie?

Why allow foreign enterprises to profit by providing basic-need services? -

We can see the undesirable result as prices go up very quickly when there is an upward fluctuation in their acquisition costs but never seems to fall at a similar rate when those costs decrease.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Why Zulu?

Look at the case of Nuclear power. In a generation we have gone from being the pioneers to relying on buying-in any future nuclear infrastructure from the French!

Kevin

But we live in a globalised world, with materials and finance coming from multiple international sources, including the City of London.  Companies may appear to be "French", "German" or "American", but in fact their finance and ownership can be lodged around the world.  It is a competitive situation, not one of a monoply that the UK used to see with its utilities.

So why not have a French company building the nuclear power stations, using British labour and finance?  I don't see many on this forum objecting to buying French, German, Japanesse, Chinese, and American cars, computers, tv's and general goods, etc, etc.  The money goes out and it comes back in.  Wecome to the capitalist international world!

[millwall]

We need to do something. He's right about weaning us off imported gas and coal. That with bite us eventually. We desperately need more nuclear capacity, and should have embarked on that decades ago.


Kevin

I think a start would be to wean us off foriegn owned energy providers.

Why Zulu?

I do not care who develops the power stations and produces the energy, as long as it is all done efficiently and as economically as possible.

The contracts to build new power stations are put out for tender after all, and we as consumers can shop around for our gas and electricity as much as we like. 8-) 8-)

totally agree lizzie and at the moment all we can do is shop around