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[Banjax]

does anyone have a link to numbers of extreme weather events around the world over the years(and what do you define as extreme)? is it me or is the planet seeing more and more? just the numbers - i'm not interested in who did what to whom 

i read a report from NASA written in 2000 that said we'd see more flooding, heavier precipitation, colder winters, hotter summers etc now to me that feels correct but i'd like to see the numbers 

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/view.php?id=21200


they're linking it to warming, but lets not - we've been over that - just the number of extreme events, we can worry about the "why" on another thread 

[cem_devecioglu]

imo Nasa report validates what we are witnessing everyday..

and one more fact, here my gas bills are reduced anyway which I'm happy with

[Nickbat]

There's no way to record extreme weather events as such for the simple reasons that

a) Accurate weather records (temps, rainfall, windspeed etc) don't go back that far, i.e just a century and a half at best which is nothing in the grand scale of things

b) Recent recording of weather-related "disasters" has been done on the basis of insurance payouts, deaths etc. Given the higher population, urbanisation and the growth of the insurance claims business these have naturally trended higher (though not remarkably so, it must be said). I did have a link but can't find it right now.

And finally,

c) The growth of worldwide media reporting has greatly increased the publication of weather-related incidents, whilst the AGW business has heightened people's fear of "abnormal" weather.

Essentially, the weather we are experiencing has occurred before at various times in our history.      

[Lizzie_Zoom]

There's no way to record extreme weather events as such for the simple reasons that

a) Accurate weather records (temps, rainfall, windspeed etc) don't go back that far, i.e just a century and a half at best which is nothing in the grand scale of things

b) Recent recording of weather-related "disasters" has been done on the basis of insurance payouts, deaths etc. Given the higher population, urbanisation and the growth of the insurance claims business these have naturally trended higher (though not remarkably so, it must be said). I did have a link but can't find it right now.

And finally,

c) The growth of worldwide media reporting has greatly increased the publication of weather-related incidents, whilst the AGW business has heightened people's fear of "abnormal" weather.

Essentially, the weather we are experiencing has occurred before at various times in our history.      

Indeed it has Nick, and will go through this cycle time and time again over centuries to come.

[Banjax]

yep Nick, I just want info that strips out all the perceptions and deals in facts not media hysteria or insurance cost 

[Psychoca]

I personally feel that the current weather situation is more closely realted to the Mayan 2012 Prophecy...   

[Banjax]

I personally feel that the current weather situation is more closely realted to the Mayan 2012 Prophecy...   

, yeah those bozos are well out - 2 years too early

[V6 CDX-er]

There's no way to record extreme weather events as such for the simple reasons that

a) Accurate weather records (temps, rainfall, windspeed etc) don't go back that far, i.e just a century and a half at best which is nothing in the grand scale of things

b) Recent recording of weather-related "disasters" has been done on the basis of insurance payouts, deaths etc. Given the higher population, urbanisation and the growth of the insurance claims business these have naturally trended higher (though not remarkably so, it must be said). I did have a link but can't find it right now.

And finally,

c) The growth of worldwide media reporting has greatly increased the publication of weather-related incidents, whilst the AGW business has heightened people's fear of "abnormal" weather.

Essentially, the weather we are experiencing has occurred before at various times in our history.      

What he said ^^^^^^^^

We've been here before. Back in the 1940's-1950's. Weather patterns are constantly changing. It has always been thus, and always will be. Taxing the populas ever stupid amounts won't change this.

These current so called 'extreme' weather trends don't worry me one jot.

[Banjax]

i'm not looking for a debate on the existence or not of man made climate change, i'm just looking for some facts.....seems some of you are getting the excuses in early...............interesting.........

[V6 CDX-er]

i'm not looking for a debate on the existence or not of man made climate change, i'm just looking for some facts.....seems some of you are getting the excuses in early...............interesting.........

As a poster above has already stated, mankind hasn't been measuring weather accuratley enough for long enough to gauge whether this weather is extreme or just a regular cycle.

Whilstever data is collected by some camps in a dubious manner to fit in with their own plans and quest for funding, (as in temp stations being located right next to air-con units for example, in order to give false reading of an increase in mean tempratures), and so called 'experts' such as those at the University of East Anglia continue to make false claims, I'll take it all with a pinch of salt and use my own eyes and judgement to decide if the weather is extreme, or (as the case may be) not.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/196642/Climate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposed

http://toryardvaark.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/university-of-east-anglia-inquiry-was-a-whitewash/

http://news.uk.msn.com/forum/thread.aspx?board=00000071-0328-0000-0000-000000000000&thread=5531197b-0475-4227-b33b-8fdf1fc5ae08

http://greenenergyreporter.com/policy/global-warming-skeptics-find-proof-of-climate-change-lies-in-stolen-climate-research-emails/

I remember winters and summers like this as a kid. Back then we had four sensible words for "climate change". They were Spring, Summer, Autumn & Winter, neatly packaged up into a shorter phrase of "Seasons".

[PhilRich]

i'm not looking for a debate on the existence or not of man made climate change, i'm just looking for some facts.....seems some of you are getting the excuses in early...............interesting.........

As a poster above has already stated, mankind hasn't been measuring weather accuratley enough for long enough to gauge whether this weather is extreme or just a regular cycle.

Whilstever data is collected by some camps in a dubious manner to fit in with their own plans and quest for funding, (as in temp stations being located right next to air-con units for example, in order to give false reading of an increase in mean tempratures), and so called 'experts' such as those at the University of East Anglia continue to make false claims, I'll take it all with a pinch of salt and use my own eyes and judgement to decide if the weather is extreme, or (as the case may be) not.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/196642/Climate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposedClimate-change-lies-are-exposed

http://toryardvaark.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/university-of-east-anglia-inquiry-was-a-whitewash/

http://news.uk.msn.com/forum/thread.aspx?board=00000071-0328-0000-0000-000000000000&thread=5531197b-0475-4227-b33b-8fdf1fc5ae08

http://greenenergyreporter.com/policy/global-warming-skeptics-find-proof-of-climate-change-lies-in-stolen-climate-research-emails/

I remember winters and summers like this as a kid. Back then we had four sensible words for "climate change". They were Spring, Summer, Autumn & Winter, neatly packaged up into a shorter phrase of "Seasons".

Now that ^^^ is something we don't see or hear much of these days, I believe it used to be called Common Sense!

[Nickbat]

yep Nick, I just want info that strips out all the perceptions and deals in facts not media hysteria or insurance cost 

Check out the 1917-1923 period for snowfalls as we have now, indeed, probably worse.
This is the best I can dig out right now, BJ. UK only, but some references to world weather. Fascinating information.

http://www.booty.org.uk/booty.weather/climate/histclimat.htm

[Banjax]

yep Nick, I just want info that strips out all the perceptions and deals in facts not media hysteria or insurance cost 

Check out the 1917-1923 period for snowfalls as we have now, indeed, probably worse.
This is the best I can dig out right now, BJ. UK only, but some references to world weather. Fascinating information.

http://www.booty.org.uk/booty.weather/climate/histclimat.htm

cheers Nick - very useful


and I remember having 4 seasons as a kid, but how often did we get, say a long, hot summer and a proper winter? i'll have a delve 

[Banjax]

interesting fact 1:

1975: snow in London and sleet in Portsmouth........in June!! 

[Nickbat]

interesting fact 1:

1975: snow in London and sleet in Portsmouth........in June!! 

I actually remember that! In fact, I recall there a cricket match that was suspended due to snow.
That year, of course, preceded the 1976 very hot, dry (drought) summer, for which period I spent mainly at the local swimming pool with a girl from Scandinavia.... Memories, eh?