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[Danny]

can anyone shed any light on this 2011 rule-change??

does this mean we'd have to cash in any remaining road tax and declare a car sorn before we can keep it on private land if it's uninsured???

[RobG]

All it says is that vehicle needs to be insured OR declared SORN
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Motorinsurance/DG_186696

[V6 CDX-er]

I don't know.

I'd suggest phoning your local police Traf-Pol unit for clarification to be on the safe side.

[Danny]

All it says is that vehicle needs to be insured OR declared SORN
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Motorinsurance/DG_186696

helpful, but they haven't stated exactly when it comes into force!!

[Kevin Wood]

More hoops to jump through for those respecting the law and I fail to see how it will make any difference in detecting those who don't. It will be a total PITA when your insurer takes your money but doesn't update the MID or makes errors in doing so.

Meanwhile, it will be just as easy to buy a £150 banger and drive it uninsured. When caught, let them crush it and buy another.

Kevin

[Danny]

thats if ya get caught

i've managed to pass two ANPR traffic cars crusing down the motorway this morning and was fully prepared for blues coming on, but nothing! i'm on a temp policy on the omega so it still shows as no insurance on MID

[Kevin Wood]

thats if ya get caught

i've managed to pass two ANPR traffic cars crusing down the motorway this morning and was fully prepared for blues coming on, but nothing! i'm on a temp policy on the omega so it still shows as no insurance on MID

Exactly. It should be like shooting fish in a barrel with the current laws, so why more red tape?

Kevin

[zirax]

Oh FFS  More legislation won't stop them driving without insurance/MOT/tax morons! This will directly effect me as I have an MR2 that I want to shift soon, so I now have to cash in the tax before selling. It's just another money making scheme.

Just try and sell a motor without tax! I presume that this will effect dealers as well as every new car purchase now means you have to buy tax.

[Danny]

my point exactly

[RobG]

Oh FFS  More legislation won't stop them driving without insurance/MOT/tax morons! This will directly effect me as I have an MR2 that I want to shift soon, so I now have to cash in the tax before selling. It's just another money making scheme.

Just try and sell a motor without tax! I presume that this will effect dealers as well as every new car purchase now means you have to buy tax.

Keep it on private land and sell it with the tax

[aaronjb]

Oh FFS  More legislation won't stop them driving without insurance/MOT/tax morons! This will directly effect me as I have an MR2 that I want to shift soon, so I now have to cash in the tax before selling. It's just another money making scheme.

Just try and sell a motor without tax! I presume that this will effect dealers as well as every new car purchase now means you have to buy tax.

Keep it on private land and sell it with the tax

I don't see where it says that makes any difference.. it seems that if you're keeping it on private land then your choices are;

1) Taxed, MOTd and insured
2) SORNed

On public land your choices are;

1) Taxed, MOTd and insured
2) Crushed

Unless I'm misunderstanding things, but the DVLA seem to indicate the only alternative to insuring the vehicle is declaring it SORN (which means it has to be on private land)?

[Danny]

Oh FFS  More legislation won't stop them driving without insurance/MOT/tax morons! This will directly effect me as I have an MR2 that I want to shift soon, so I now have to cash in the tax before selling. It's just another money making scheme.

Just try and sell a motor without tax! I presume that this will effect dealers as well as every new car purchase now means you have to buy tax.

Keep it on private land and sell it with the tax

I don't see where it says that makes any difference.. it seems that if you're keeping it on private land then your choices are;

1) Taxed, MOTd and insured
2) SORNed

On public land your choices are;

1) Taxed, MOTd and insured
2) Crushed

Unless I'm misunderstanding things, but the DVLA seem to indicate the only alternative to insuring the vehicle is declaring it SORN (which means it has to be on private land)?

this is exactly what they're saying, it no longer matters where it is, if it is taxed and mot'd, it MUST be insured

otherwise, if you dont want it to be insured you have to declare it SORN, which as highlighted, means cashing in any tax, leaving the common predicament of making cars harder to sell

(well, from early 2011, but doesn't say exactly when)

[zirk]

Yet more issues for the small Trader, I have enough problems getting new Tax on a Traders policy as it is, let alone having to now cash it in if the cars going to be off the road for a while.

Just more piggy bank fine money for the Goverment rather than dealing with the actual problem on the road.
 

[Vamps]

Oh FFS  More legislation won't stop them driving without insurance/MOT/tax morons! This will directly effect me as I have an MR2 that I want to shift soon, so I now have to cash in the tax before selling. It's just another money making scheme.

Just try and sell a motor without tax! I presume that this will effect dealers as well as every new car purchase now means you have to buy tax.

Keep it on private land and sell it with the tax

I don't see where it says that makes any difference.. it seems that if you're keeping it on private land then your choices are;

1) Taxed, MOTd and insured
2) SORNed

On public land your choices are;

1) Taxed, MOTd and insured
2) Crushed

Unless I'm misunderstanding things, but the DVLA seem to indicate the only alternative to insuring the vehicle is declaring it SORN (which means it has to be on private land)?

this is exactly what they're saying, it no longer matters where it is, if it is taxed and mot'd, it MUST be insured

otherwise, if you dont want it to be insured you have to declare it SORN, which as highlighted, means cashing in any tax, leaving the common predicament of making cars harder to sell

(well, from early 2011, but doesn't say exactly when)

Forgive my in case I have missed something obvious but what is the problem? If a vehicle is not insured then, even now, it must be on private land! and if selling, why take the tax off it? surly it will be insured until sold otherwise how could you take a prospective purchaser for a drive..?

[hoofing it]

Thank God my senny A is insured as its been off the road for 4 years now.