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[geoffr70]

But then why should someone with more money be taxed at a higher rate? They shouldn't. It's not fair. There are always exceptions to the rule, but people generally have more money for a reason. That is that they have worked for it and deserve it so shouldn't unfairly be taxed at a higher rate that people call progressive.

As society progresses, the range and costs of services provided by the state goes up, who pays for it? We do. The standard of living goes up so does everyones expendable income, yet they don't want to pay more for these services provided by the state. I agree with the VAT increase and think it should stay.

but they're not, Geoff, Alan Sugar for example pays less proportionally in tax than his cleaner does, theres always imperfections, and to say having more money means you must be working harder is an insult to most hard-working wage slaves, we dont live in a meritocracy, so some will work harder for less, some work less and have more. i dont think you can judge how hard a person works by their bank balance, its a common mistake and completely spurious in my opinion 

Yeah. Like the cleaner will pay £10 a week out of £200 (10%) and Sugar will pay £80,000 out of a million (8%). What a load of crap is talked at times.

And, of course, if this cleaner happens to have a sprog or two, they will get more tax back than they pay.

'Proportionally' is great in theory. But you could probably build a new hospital wing on what Sir Alan pays each year. You'd be lucky to build a sandcastle on what his cleaner pays.

so if i have £10 to my name and give it to charity thats the equivalent of Lord Sugar giving £10 then? 
not picking on Sugar - i like the fellow - any super rich person will do 

I thought you weren't religious. You sound just like a quote from the bible about the poor person and the rich person in the temple.

Anyhow, I've stated what I believe to be true. No good harping on.

I don't really know what the bible has got to do with this discussion.

[Mysteryman]

But then why should someone with more money be taxed at a higher rate? They shouldn't. It's not fair. There are always exceptions to the rule, but people generally have more money for a reason. That is that they have worked for it and deserve it so shouldn't unfairly be taxed at a higher rate that people call progressive.

As society progresses, the range and costs of services provided by the state goes up, who pays for it? We do. The standard of living goes up so does everyones expendable income, yet they don't want to pay more for these services provided by the state. I agree with the VAT increase and think it should stay.

but they're not, Geoff, Alan Sugar for example pays less proportionally in tax than his cleaner does, theres always imperfections, and to say having more money means you must be working harder is an insult to most hard-working wage slaves, we dont live in a meritocracy, so some will work harder for less, some work less and have more. i dont think you can judge how hard a person works by their bank balance, its a common mistake and completely spurious in my opinion 

Yeah. Like the cleaner will pay £10 a week out of £200 (10%) and Sugar will pay £80,000 out of a million (8%). What a load of crap is talked at times.

And, of course, if this cleaner happens to have a sprog or two, they will get more tax back than they pay.

'Proportionally' is great in theory. But you could probably build a new hospital wing on what Sir Alan pays each year. You'd be lucky to build a sandcastle on what his cleaner pays.

so if i have £10 to my name and give it to charity thats the equivalent of Lord Sugar giving £10 then? 
not picking on Sugar - i like the fellow - any super rich person will do 

I thought you weren't religious. You sound just like a quote from the bible about the poor person and the rich person in the temple.

Anyhow, I've stated what I believe to be true. No good harping on.

I don't really know what the bible has got to do with this discussion.

I wasn't talking to you, butt out.

[geoffr70]

You butt out

[Mysteryman]

You butt out

Na na na na na

[geoffr70]

Well there are plenty of people who do very well out of our benefits system, which is paid for by hard working tax paying people. I think the spotlight should beturned on these people first.

[Marks DTM Calib]

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=509002&in_page_id=2

We have had it good for a long time, its gonna cost and services will be cut.

Thats life and the standard legacy of a Labour government

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I have just filled the tank this morning at only £1.279 per litre.

Did I just say "ONLY"!!!!!

Well it is the cheapest around here this morning, even cheaper than Sainsbury's.  But it seems like yesterday I was paying £1.159 and thinking I had a bargain!!

Madness, utter madness!

But I will not swap my V6 for any 'Noddy' car!!

[Mysteryman]

I have just filled the tank this morning at only £1.279 per litre.

Did I just say "ONLY"!!!!!

Well it is the cheapest around here this morning, even cheaper than Sainsbury's.  But it seems like yesterday I was paying £1.159 and thinking I had a bargain!!

Madness, utter madness!

But I will not swap my V6 for any 'Noddy' car!!

Ah....senility....bliss

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I have just filled the tank this morning at only £1.279 per litre.

Did I just say "ONLY"!!!!!

Well it is the cheapest around here this morning, even cheaper than Sainsbury's.  But it seems like yesterday I was paying £1.159 and thinking I had a bargain!!

Madness, utter madness!

But I will not swap my V6 for any 'Noddy' car!!

Ah....senility....bliss

Do you know Steve the more the world's madness spreads the more I look forward to arriving at that condition.............where nice young men, in their lovely white coats bring me tea and every want, after they've come to take me away today, ha ha, he he..............

[Mysteryman]

I have just filled the tank this morning at only £1.279 per litre.

Did I just say "ONLY"!!!!!

Well it is the cheapest around here this morning, even cheaper than Sainsbury's.  But it seems like yesterday I was paying £1.159 and thinking I had a bargain!!

Madness, utter madness!

But I will not swap my V6 for any 'Noddy' car!!

Ah....senility....bliss

Do you know Steve the more the world's madness spreads the more I look forward to arriving at that condition.............where nice young men, in their lovely white coats bring me tea and every want, after they've come to take me away today, ha ha, he he..............

Haven't you heard about the cuts Lizzie? They just tie you to a chair until you die nowadays. Sweet dreams.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I have just filled the tank this morning at only £1.279 per litre.

Did I just say "ONLY"!!!!!

Well it is the cheapest around here this morning, even cheaper than Sainsbury's.  But it seems like yesterday I was paying £1.159 and thinking I had a bargain!!

Madness, utter madness!

But I will not swap my V6 for any 'Noddy' car!!

Ah....senility....bliss

Do you know Steve the more the world's madness spreads the more I look forward to arriving at that condition.............where nice young men, in their lovely white coats bring me tea and every want, after they've come to take me away today, ha ha, he he..............

Haven't you heard about the cuts Lizzie? They just tie you to a chair until you die nowadays. Sweet dreams.

Oh yes Steve, that would be my blooming luck!!

[Marks DTM Calib]

Maybe Lizzie wants tying to a chair......

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Maybe Lizzie wants tying to a chair......

It all depends to do what Mark!

[Banjax]

But then why should someone with more money be taxed at a higher rate? They shouldn't. It's not fair. There are always exceptions to the rule, but people generally have more money for a reason. That is that they have worked for it and deserve it so shouldn't unfairly be taxed at a higher rate that people call progressive.

As society progresses, the range and costs of services provided by the state goes up, who pays for it? We do. The standard of living goes up so does everyones expendable income, yet they don't want to pay more for these services provided by the state. I agree with the VAT increase and think it should stay.

but they're not, Geoff, Alan Sugar for example pays less proportionally in tax than his cleaner does, theres always imperfections, and to say having more money means you must be working harder is an insult to most hard-working wage slaves, we dont live in a meritocracy, so some will work harder for less, some work less and have more. i dont think you can judge how hard a person works by their bank balance, its a common mistake and completely spurious in my opinion 

Yeah. Like the cleaner will pay £10 a week out of £200 (10%) and Sugar will pay £80,000 out of a million (8%). What a load of crap is talked at times.

And, of course, if this cleaner happens to have a sprog or two, they will get more tax back than they pay.

'Proportionally' is great in theory. But you could probably build a new hospital wing on what Sir Alan pays each year. You'd be lucky to build a sandcastle on what his cleaner pays.

so if i have £10 to my name and give it to charity thats the equivalent of Lord Sugar giving £10 then? 
not picking on Sugar - i like the fellow - any super rich person will do 

I thought you weren't religious. You sound just like a quote from the bible about the poor person and the rich person in the temple.

Anyhow, I've stated what I believe to be true. No good harping on.

i'm not religious at all, so....you think......only people of.....religion....have.......values....then? interesting theory - i shall investigate this new phenonemon at once - thanks for the heads up

[Marks DTM Calib]

Remember also that the cost of affected goods are going to increase by 2.1% and not 2.5%