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[Varche]

another question -
lots of adverts offering to buy gold.

companies don't buy if they can't sell at a profit.
who's buying the gold?

clue:
Rules od monopoly:

"The 'bank' never goes broke. If 'The Bank' ever runs out of money, it can make as much more as needed by merely writing on any ordinary piece of paper"

I think, ultimately, that the "ruling capitalists" are buying the gold, because most, if not all, the world's currencies are going to become worthless, and the only "real" wealth will be in gold.

And surely the answer to that is for us all to empty our piggybanks and go and buy some gold. We are then participants rather than poor under priviliged peasants, or bitter, jealous people wishing we had a slice of the pie.
Be aware however if you do thaat and dont have the nouse to sell your gold at the right time, you could end up poorer and more downtrodden than you were to start with.

That is an easy one. If prudent Gordon is selling then BUY. If he is buying then SELL

[albitz]

'dangle berries' Varche - youve discovered my get rich quick secret.

[cem_devecioglu]

so you feel that the answer is to remove the "ruling elite" and give power to "the masses"?

can't see that working, it will just create a new elite.

I'd rather give anyone the chance to JOIN the elite.

classic vicious circle..  the problem with the masses way of thinking.. its been solved more then a hundred years ago, in a commuity with equal chances the classic pyramid shape of classes will change to a balanced and more flat shape with higher percentage of community  well educated..

classical boss + slave workers picture will likely change..


 "everything changes, except the change "

[Banjax]

I'm playing a wild card here but, some vote some don't & non votes are wasted or go to someone else? i dunno  but what would happen at the next general election if no one voted? If the whole country caught a dose of the apathy i happily live with, what would happen? I can picture them all in anticipation then NOTHING!!!
   Would the police or military take over for a while? Would there be an EU input?  Just wondered!!!! Guy.

good question, sadly all that would happen is the incumbent government would be asked by the Queen (or whoever the head of state is at the time) to remain in power until another election can be called and so on and so on until at least one person voted somewhere for someone 

[Banjax]

anyway this is about banks holding the real power, at least politicians are elected 

[cem_devecioglu]

personally, i'm not that fussed about who is, or wants to be, prime minister.
I'd rather have the money.

 

[Amigo]

I'm playing a wild card here but, some vote some don't & non votes are wasted or go to someone else? i dunno  but what would happen at the next general election if no one voted? If the whole country caught a dose of the apathy i happily live with, what would happen? I can picture them all in anticipation then NOTHING!!!
   Would the police or military take over for a while? Would there be an EU input?  Just wondered!!!! Guy.

No reponse? Given the politics/current affairs fans some of you are & how strongly you feel i'm surprised.
    I must be outside the comfort zone...they don't like that!

[bigegg]

That is an easy one. If prudent Gordon is selling then BUY. If he is buying then SELL

I think Gordon Brown gets a lot of bad press.
He might have been in charge when the brown stuff hit the fan, but he didn't cause the mess - not in Greece, or Portugal, or the States, or Ireland, or Iceland...

If anybody is to blame for the present mess that the UK is in now, it's Thatcher. Her government destroyed the manufacturing and producing base to our economy, leaving us with only one real industry - finance.
Then when the "world banking crisis" hit, we had no other  real sources of income - we couldn't sell more steel or coal to pay our international debts, because we don't produce either any more.

[cem_devecioglu]

anyway this is about banks holding the real power, at least politicians are elected 

ok Banjax, let me ask you a question, why an ordinary person cant be a candidate

[Banjax]

anyway this is about banks holding the real power, at least politicians are elected 

ok Banjax, let me ask you a question, why an ordinary people cant be a candidate

yes we can 

although in some cases, notably america you need so much money you end up compromising on everything to get power 

in the UK i think there's a feeling among "the elite" that power cant be entrusted to the oiks who didn't go to the right schools (Margaret Thatcher strangely, being a notable exception) 

[cem_devecioglu]

That is an easy one. If prudent Gordon is selling then BUY. If he is buying then SELL

I think Gordon Brown gets a lot of bad press.
He might have been in charge when the brown stuff hit the fan, but he didn't cause the mess - not in Greece, or Portugal, or the States, or Ireland, or Iceland...

If anybody is to blame for the present mess that the UK is in now, it's Thatcher. Her government destroyed the manufacturing and producing base to our economy, leaving us with only one real industry - finance.
Then when the "world banking crisis" hit, we had no other  real sources of income - we couldn't sell more steel or coal to pay our international debts, because we don't produce either any more.

finance is the play arena for ruling elite..  and there are some other reasons why this was done, but these comments must be left to UK citizens imo..

[cem_devecioglu]

anyway this is about banks holding the real power, at least politicians are elected 

ok Banjax, let me ask you a question, why an ordinary people cant be a candidate

yes we can 

although in some cases, notably america you need so much money you end up compromising on everything to get power 

in the UK i think there's a feeling among "the elite" that power cant be entrusted to the oiks who didn't go to the right schools (Margaret Thatcher strangely, being a notable exception) 

I want to see

[cem_devecioglu]

anyway this is about banks holding the real power, at least politicians are elected 

ok Banjax, let me ask you a question, why an ordinary people cant be a candidate

yes we can 

although in some cases, notably america you need so much money you end up compromising on everything to get power 

in the UK i think there's a feeling among "the elite" that power cant be entrusted to the oiks who didn't go to the right schools (Margaret Thatcher strangely, being a notable exception) 

I want to see

in theory yes.. in application very rare.. you need money, power, strong relations etc etc even to be a candidate.. or else you will be only a candidate for a candidate

[aaronjb]

anyway this is about banks holding the real power, at least politicians are elected 

ok Banjax, let me ask you a question, why an ordinary people cant be a candidate

yes we can 

although in some cases, notably america you need so much money you end up compromising on everything to get power 

in the UK i think there's a feeling among "the elite" that power cant be entrusted to the oiks who didn't go to the right schools (Margaret Thatcher strangely, being a notable exception) 

I want to see

Then come and vote in a local election - there are countless independent candidates from all walks of life in every single one of them.

Some of them even aren't crackpots and actually get voted in, I hear.

[Banjax]

That is an easy one. If prudent Gordon is selling then BUY. If he is buying then SELL

I think Gordon Brown gets a lot of bad press.
He might have been in charge when the brown stuff hit the fan, but he didn't cause the mess - not in Greece, or Portugal, or the States, or Ireland, or Iceland...

If anybody is to blame for the present mess that the UK is in now, it's Thatcher. Her government destroyed the manufacturing and producing base to our economy, leaving us with only one real industry - finance.
Then when the "world banking crisis" hit, we had no other  real sources of income - we couldn't sell more steel or coal to pay our international debts, because we don't produce either any more.

banks are far too powerful, they literally write their own checks, and our reliance on the financial sector left us weak when it was hit hard. Like you, I dont blame Brown, but even I'd find it a stretch to blame Thatcher - she did what some argue was needed to be done - i dont agree with what she did and how she did it - the price in generations of people left on the scrapheap was far too high and she did ride the crest of the "me generation" wave. but as to the Reaganomic and Thatcherite policies of the 80's - it could be argued well that they sowed the seeds by loosening up banking regulations that allowed the housing market bubble that everyone loved - what goes up must come down i guess  :-/