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[geoffr70]

But then who or what empowers the state to think that it has the authority to dictate to the people whether or not they can or cannot allow their offspring to consume alcohol? It's our country, we decide what happens. The 'authorities' exist to serve us, not the other way around. They only rubber stamp our decisions.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT...

Its the rules FFS, set by the supermarket, its the same for Cigs & Booze. Been around for years, ID for 18, checkout bod need to think they are 21+

But lets run with your issue with morals here.

When I worked at Tesco at 16, I thought I was earning good money, but there were single mums there, struggling to make a living on their hourly pay.

Do you think they would risk their job, their homes, their families to break a rule the supermarket set? Just so someone can get their knife!?

You are contradicting yourself . The lady in question had I.D to prove she was over 18....(23 in fact)....and yet they would still not sell her the knife......WHY NOT?

[tunnie]

Nope wrong again......It is insulting to suggest to a customer......I will not serve you alcohol because you look like the type of person who MAY give it to your underage children.......If that's not a moral judgement then I don't know what is.....

Sod 'insulting' the customer, if its your job on the line 

But if your happy to loose your income, but can leave with a clear head knowing you sold that Knife. Good on you!  :-?

[charlie]

I know that knife crime is a very serious issue and I fully condone whatever measures are necessary to curb this type of crime BUT....My daughter has just moved in to a new flat. She went to her local Sainsbury's today with her boyfriend to buy some kitchen bits and pieces - first flat she needed everything - including a cheese knife.

At the checkout the girl asked my daughter for ID (for the knife) which she produced (she's 23). The checkout girl also then asked her boyfriend for ID (he's 25) but he didn't have any. They refused to sell the knife to my daughter because in their opinion she may have been buying it for her boyfriend - presumably to use maliciously - I would have thought the conveyor full of other kitchen utensils would have been a bit of a clue as to their real intentions. 

Now well up for an argument she protested to the manager to no avail and she left the shop empty handed and an hour of shopping time wasted. The managers parting comment was that if Sainburys sold her the knife and her boyfriend was under age she could sue them!!!!

I can't wait to waste a couple of hours tomorrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.

Check out girls are not the moral guardians of the general public......The lady in question simply has to satisfy herself that the person buying the knife is 18 years or over......It is not for them to make moral judgements.......

Exactly Opti!

It's common sense really Lizzie.......for example......a 50 year old man buys some alcohol with his 17 year old daughter present...........however....the girl on the till thinks the man may offer the girl a little tipple ...so refuses to serve the man.......NONE OF THEIR FU*KING BUSINESS......

Delightful way of putting it. Humm how about their job for starters?  Think thats their business? Yes it is. 

Nope wrong again......It is insulting to suggest to a customer......I will not serve you alcohol because you look like the type of person who MAY give it to your underage children.......If that's not a moral judgement then I don't know what is.....

The law states you can give under eighteens a drink(it actually from 5 years of age )so what the problem with selling to somebody who may or may not give some away.the laws the law personal judgement should not come into it

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I know that knife crime is a very serious issue and I fully condone whatever measures are necessary to curb this type of crime BUT....My daughter has just moved in to a new flat. She went to her local Sainsbury's today with her boyfriend to buy some kitchen bits and pieces - first flat she needed everything - including a cheese knife.

At the checkout the girl asked my daughter for ID (for the knife) which she produced (she's 23). The checkout girl also then asked her boyfriend for ID (he's 25) but he didn't have any. They refused to sell the knife to my daughter because in their opinion she may have been buying it for her boyfriend - presumably to use maliciously - I would have thought the conveyor full of other kitchen utensils would have been a bit of a clue as to their real intentions. 

Now well up for an argument she protested to the manager to no avail and she left the shop empty handed and an hour of shopping time wasted. The managers parting comment was that if Sainburys sold her the knife and her boyfriend was under age she could sue them!!!!

I can't wait to waste a couple of hours tomorrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.

Check out girls are not the moral guardians of the general public......The lady in question simply has to satisfy herself that the person buying the knife is 18 years or over......It is not for them to make moral judgements.......

Exactly Opti!

Wrong!!!

It is drilled into checkout staff, if in doubt reject. Moral judgement as blank all to do with it!!

If the person looks under 25, cannot product ID, refuse sale, no moral judgements involved here, simple rules.

If you are found to have sold drinks/booze/knifes to underage it was instant dismissal.

So why risk it?

Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT...

That is precisely the point in all this.  If the person has ID to prove they are of the right age then a sale can be made within the letter of the law.  She did have ID and the fact that her boyfriend didn't, or the person standing outside, or the dog tied to the lampost also couldn't prove their age should never come into it!!

I was once in the retail industry where our staff (I controlled 3,500 alone) sold tobacco, wines, spirits,  over 18 DVD's, and fireworks.  The staff were trained to ask for ID to prove age if the person buying appeared under age.  But if ID was present and correct then the sale went ahead.  Who was with them did not matter a hoot!

Any sale that is refused because of who is with a person making a purchase, who has produced ID, is because of a moral judgement.  This is especially so when the person accompanying the purchaser is well over 21!! 

What I would say is though that any "young" person who is making one of these "legally restrained" purchases has ID on them, and also makes sure any younger person with them stays outside of the store!!   Common sense is what this is all about, and it has flown out of the window yet again!!

[tunnie]

Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT...

Its the rules FFS, set by the supermarket, its the same for Cigs & Booze. Been around for years, ID for 18, checkout bod need to think they are 21+

But lets run with your issue with morals here.

When I worked at Tesco at 16, I thought I was earning good money, but there were single mums there, struggling to make a living on their hourly pay.

Do you think they would risk their job, their homes, their families to break a rule the supermarket set? Just so someone can get their knife!?

You are contradicting yourself . The lady in question had I.D to prove she was over 18....(23 in fact)....and yet they would still not sell her the knife......WHY NOT?

You can't lock and full stop key broken?  - If you read the first post, its because person she was with, failed to provide ID.

Supermarkets brought in tough rules for Knifes, chavs have to buy them there now since eBay stopped.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Nope wrong again......It is insulting to suggest to a customer......I will not serve you alcohol because you look like the type of person who MAY give it to your underage children.......If that's not a moral judgement then I don't know what is.....

Sod 'insulting' the customer, if its your job on the line 

But if your happy to loose your income, but can leave with a clear head knowing you sold that Knife. Good on you!  :-?

You didn't answer my question ........so I'll ask it again.......The woman in question had I.D to prove she was over The  age of 18..(23)......and yet they still would not serve her .....WHY NOT?....simple question really

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT...

Its the rules FFS, set by the supermarket, its the same for Cigs & Booze. Been around for years, ID for 18, checkout bod need to think they are 21+

But lets run with your issue with morals here.

When I worked at Tesco at 16, I thought I was earning good money, but there were single mums there, struggling to make a living on their hourly pay.

Do you think they would risk their job, their homes, their families to break a rule the supermarket set? Just so someone can get their knife!?

You are contradicting yourself . The lady in question had I.D to prove she was over 18....(23 in fact)....and yet they would still not sell her the knife......WHY NOT?

You can't lock and full stop key broken?  - If you read the first post, its because person she was with, failed to provide ID.

Supermarkets brought in tough rules for Knifes, chavs have to buy them there now since eBay stopped.

And you don't think that's a moral judgement.....I despair really I do.... :-/

[Ken T]

I know that knife crime is a very serious issue and I fully condone whatever measures are necessary to curb this type of crime BUT....My daughter has just moved in to a new flat. She went to her local Sainsbury's today with her boyfriend to buy some kitchen bits and pieces - first flat she needed everything - including a cheese knife.

At the checkout the girl asked my daughter for ID (for the knife) which she produced (she's 23). The checkout girl also then asked her boyfriend for ID (he's 25) but he didn't have any. They refused to sell the knife to my daughter because in their opinion she may have been buying it for her boyfriend - presumably to use maliciously - I would have thought the conveyor full of other kitchen utensils would have been a bit of a clue as to their real intentions. 

Now well up for an argument she protested to the manager to no avail and she left the shop empty handed and an hour of shopping time wasted. The managers parting comment was that if Sainburys sold her the knife and her boyfriend was under age she could sue them!!!!

I can't wait to waste a couple of hours tomorrow doing the biggest shop I can, loading up the converyor then walking away when my teenage son can't produce appropriate ID - which I demand they ask for - because I've put some lagers on the counter. I might even do it more than once just to really p*ss them off.

Check out girls are not the moral guardians of the general public......The lady in question simply has to satisfy herself that the person buying the knife is 18 years or over......It is not for them to make moral judgements.......

Exactly Opti!

It's common sense really Lizzie.......for example......a 50 year old man buys some alcohol with his 17 year old daughter present...........however....the girl on the till thinks the man may offer the girl a little tipple ...so refuses to serve the man.......NONE OF THEIR FU*KING BUSINESS......

Delightful way of putting it. Humm how about their job for starters?  Think thats their business? Yes it is. 

Nope wrong again......It is insulting to suggest to a customer......I will not serve you alcohol because you look like the type of person who MAY give it to your underage children.......If that's not a moral judgement then I don't know what is.....

I don't think that enters into the thought nowadays. All services are being swallowed up by large groups who are purely concerned with how much they can take without giving a thought to customer satisfaction. Tesco's are open 24 hr in Batley, net result they get lots of business so they don't really have to bother about pleasing customers. They put up a good face of controlling underage drinking and knife sales, which pleases the powers that be, esp when they are after planning permission.

And my run in with the Halfords service station, their prices are amongst the most expensive, it is cheaper to go to a main agent like Jn600, but people don't know this so they prosper. Look at the Wilco service station and Coleman's, the small but competant garage. Coleman's wanted £150 to change the alternator. Wilco wanted £269. Last time I used Wilco for a new exhaust the fitter didn't replace the worn exhaust hangers and it fell off after a couple of weeks. Yet people still go to the large service station on the main road. 

People tend to go with large corporations 'cause they feel safe, not for quality of service.

Ken

[tidla]

i was looking for video of a dog chasing his tail....

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[Lizzie_Zoom]

Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT...

Its the rules FFS, set by the supermarket, its the same for Cigs & Booze. Been around for years, ID for 18, checkout bod need to think they are 21+

But lets run with your issue with morals here.

When I worked at Tesco at 16, I thought I was earning good money, but there were single mums there, struggling to make a living on their hourly pay.

Do you think they would risk their job, their homes, their families to break a rule the supermarket set? Just so someone can get their knife!?

You are contradicting yourself . The lady in question had I.D to prove she was over 18....(23 in fact)....and yet they would still not sell her the knife......WHY NOT?

You can't lock and full stop key broken?  - If you read the first post, its because person she was with, failed to provide ID.

Supermarkets brought in tough rules for Knifes, chavs have to buy them there now since eBay stopped.

Yes Tunnie, but why was that taken into account when the Law does not request it?  The 23 year old in our case did have ID, and she was the purchaser.  No, it is the supermarket coming up with their own rules and regulations outside of the law!

Before you answer read this Trading Standards definition on knife sales:

http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/images/sfy17_tcm9-8333.pdf



 

[tunnie]

Nope wrong again......It is insulting to suggest to a customer......I will not serve you alcohol because you look like the type of person who MAY give it to your underage children.......If that's not a moral judgement then I don't know what is.....

Sod 'insulting' the customer, if its your job on the line 

But if your happy to loose your income, but can leave with a clear head knowing you sold that Knife. Good on you!  :-?

You didn't answer my question ........so I'll ask it again.......The woman in question had I.D to prove she was over The  age of 18..(23)......and yet they still would not serve her .....WHY NOT?....simple question really

Because person she was with could not produce ID.

End of the day, supermarket set the rules. (correctly in my view) Your sat there earning £5/h, would you risk of your job?

[albitz]

But the age limit on selling knives is 18 years of age.  The youngest involved in buying the knives was 23, who could produce ID.   Therefore in this instance the Sainsbury's staff were being far too cautious

The boyfriend, who no doubt looks well over 18,  should have been an irrelevant factor

I completely agree. Common sense and judgement may not be dead and buried in this country, but they are certainly on life support. This "rules is rules" attitude is killing what this country used to be about. 

[tunnie]

Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT...

Its the rules FFS, set by the supermarket, its the same for Cigs & Booze. Been around for years, ID for 18, checkout bod need to think they are 21+

But lets run with your issue with morals here.

When I worked at Tesco at 16, I thought I was earning good money, but there were single mums there, struggling to make a living on their hourly pay.

Do you think they would risk their job, their homes, their families to break a rule the supermarket set? Just so someone can get their knife!?

You are contradicting yourself . The lady in question had I.D to prove she was over 18....(23 in fact)....and yet they would still not sell her the knife......WHY NOT?

You can't lock and full stop key broken?  - If you read the first post, its because person she was with, failed to provide ID.

Supermarkets brought in tough rules for Knifes, chavs have to buy them there now since eBay stopped.

Yes Tunnie, but why was that taken into account when the Law does not request it?

Before you answer read this Trading Standards definition on knife sales:

http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/images/sfy17_tcm9-8333.pdf

 

Maybe it was a clamp down, Knife crime in the area? Who knows. Its very clear the checkout bod was given rules, she/him stuck to them. Good for her/him. 

So someone could not buy a knife? So what, how about lady in question left, came back, went to a different checkout alone and bought it? Checkout person would not be breaking their new rule, everyone is happy 

I'll just wait for your next post of when some 16 kid gets stabbed, saying what a tragedy. Would not surprise me if you starting going on about banning knife sales 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Nope...you're wrong Tunnie..... The woman in question was 23 and had I.D to prove it.....She was not allowed to purchase the knife because the lady on the till thought she might give it to her boyfriend....THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT...

Its the rules FFS, set by the supermarket, its the same for Cigs & Booze. Been around for years, ID for 18, checkout bod need to think they are 21+

But lets run with your issue with morals here.

When I worked at Tesco at 16, I thought I was earning good money, but there were single mums there, struggling to make a living on their hourly pay.

Do you think they would risk their job, their homes, their families to break a rule the supermarket set? Just so someone can get their knife!?

You are contradicting yourself . The lady in question had I.D to prove she was over 18....(23 in fact)....and yet they would still not sell her the knife......WHY NOT?

You can't lock and full stop key broken?  - If you read the first post, its because person she was with, failed to provide ID.

Supermarkets brought in tough rules for Knifes, chavs have to buy them there now since eBay stopped.

Yes Tunnie, but why was that taken into account when the Law does not request it?

Before you answer read this Trading Standards definition on knife sales:

http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/images/sfy17_tcm9-8333.pdf

 

Spot on Lizzie.......The law simply states that the customers must be 18 YEARS OR OVER........It does not say look who they are with ....and if you think they look "like they are up to no good" then don't serve them.....Sainsbury's/Tesco policy is not law...