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[skinwiz]

got some bad news for you kevin , i am one of the best drivers in greater manchester , not a brag but a noted fact , noted by some of THE most experienced drivers that her majestys government has choosen to train(and not through being chased before someone drops that in ) , both military and police , chances of me killing someone , very slim , chances of people who stay glued to the speedo killing someone ? you'd be surprised. this isn't opinion its fact , the only reason everyone thinks its only speeders that kill people is because they are the ones that make the headlines , along with drink drivers , no one ever read a headline saying miss marple ran someone over do they , because it isnt news . i have been driving my whole adult life and i have never ever hit anyone or been involved in an accident , or been the cause of an accident and i  had probably done a lifetimes mileage by the time i was 25. if someone were to step out in front of me i wouldnt loose any sleep over their death , i'd be more arsed about loosing my car . 

[Kevin Wood]

got some bad news for you kevin , i am one of the best drivers in greater manchester

You could be Juan Fangio for all I know. Does that make my comment any less valid?

chances of me killing someone , very slim

Not sure how that stacks up with your claim to ignore "idiot kids" by the side of the road. I'm not going to make any claims about my driving experience. I would, however, have thought that you would have been aware of the need to spot all potential hazards ahead (regardless of their worthiness of a place in the gene poll) and adjust your speed in anticipation? A fundamental part of being a great driver, surely? :-/

the only reason everyone thinks its only speeders that kill people is because they are the ones that make the headlines

I agree that speed is only one important factor, and often emphasised over other factors less easy (and profitable) to Police.

Kevin

[The Red Baron]

Hmmm... Now here's a can of worms! Firstly, well done AA for avoiding what could have been a tragic (at worst) and highly distressing (at best) situation.

Speed limits are there for a reason. I'm in agreement with Lizzie on this, Motorways/Major Trunk roads should have the National limits raised/abolished but towns need limits. Actually, again in agreement with LZ, perhaps 20mph isn't that rediculous :-/

Skinwiz, your attitude is actually quite frightening and surprising. I would have no issues in testifying against you if I were to witness some of the behaviour you describe on the road. [/quote
 if you are happy doing 20 mph , why have you purchased a 3 litre v6 power monster and not a 2.0 ? the whole idea of a 3.0 v6 with a sports button is , well , erm , isnt it to go FAST ?

as your running on 5 pots, hence the need for an injector that i would have sold you...& have now withdrawn the offer in your parts wanted ad.
you wont be going very fast will you.
oh, & your attitude stinks.

[Dishevelled Den]

if you are happy doing 20 mph , why have you purchased a 3 litre v6 power monster and not a 2.0 ? the whole idea of a 3.0 v6 with a sports button is , well , erm , isnt it to go FAST ?

Many people have put this forward before.  I have been obliged to carry a firearm throughout my police service but restrain myself from shooting people just because I have the means to do so readily to hand. 

I think the reason for restraint on the public roads Skin is to ensure that any person using them - pedestrians, cyclists and of course drivers do so in a way that doesn't unnecessarily endanger others.

I would suggest that drivers using excess speed in the wrong circumstances are taking risks that needn't be taken.  While you may be a competent driver many others are not and it's those people you have to watch out for - driving at speed often lessens the time taken to account for their erratic and uncoordinated behaviour.

[Jimbob]

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[Dishevelled Den]

unwise yes , defendable in crown court , most definately . maybe afew more idiot kids on life support after playing chicken on a dual carriageway will cause a few more ammandments like , make the parents of said idiot child pay for the damage to the veicles and the cost of the medical care and all the other expenses involved in investigating an RTA  if only .............................................

Well it's a different take on the subject I have to say Skin and I suppose that many more people than you would imagine would agree with you, but why would you really want to end up arguing the case in a court of law in the first place - seems to me that it's an experience worth avoiding.

I can say from bitter experience that’s there’s a vast difference between being ambivalent when speaking theoretically of taking human life (in whatever circumstances, by accident, carelessness, design or as a requirement of duty) and the harsh reality of actually doing so.

[Kevin Wood]

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Please be aware that when arguing with idiots, they may try and drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience 

I'll have you know, I'm one of the best idiots in Hampshire...

[Dishevelled Den]

Is there anyone on the planet that does not know "The reason for speed limits in built up areas" or any other speed limit for that matter?

<Lecture mode not on>

I'm sure many people know the reason Chris it just seems that they don't feel the need to adhere to them - for some strange reason.

[Dishevelled Den]

I have often stated that although I believe in no upper speed limits on motorways, on suburban roads the limit should be 20mph.

Yes I think a case can be made for an additional 15 to 20 mph on the NSL on motorways and other suitable roads - providing it's enforced properly so that drivers don't take it as the new base line from which to drive their customary 20/30 mph in excess of the posted limits as many seem to do at the moment.

[Mysteryman]

if you are happy doing 20 mph , why have you purchased a 3 litre v6 power monster and not a 2.0 ? the whole idea of a 3.0 v6 with a sports button is , well , erm , isnt it to go FAST ?

Many people have put this forward before.  I have been obliged to carry a firearm throughout my police service but restrain myself from shooting people just because I have the means to do so readily to hand. 

I think the reason for restraint on the public roads Skin is to ensure that any person using them - pedestrians, cyclists and of course drivers do so in a way that doesn't unnecessarily endanger others.

I would suggest that drivers using excess speed in the wrong circumstances are taking risks that needn't be taken.  While you may be a competent driver many others are not and it's those people you have to watch out for - driving at speed often lessens the time taken to account for their erratic and uncoordinated behaviour.

Bet you wish you could shoot it across an internet connection. But you'd probably miss, he'd be too fast for you.

[The Red Baron]

if you are happy doing 20 mph , why have you purchased a 3 litre v6 power monster and not a 2.0 ? the whole idea of a 3.0 v6 with a sports button is , well , erm , isnt it to go FAST ?

Many people have put this forward before.  I have been obliged to carry a firearm throughout my police service but restrain myself from shooting people just because I have the means to do so readily to hand. 

I think the reason for restraint on the public roads Skin is to ensure that any person using them - pedestrians, cyclists and of course drivers do so in a way that doesn't unnecessarily endanger others.

I would suggest that drivers using excess speed in the wrong circumstances are taking risks that needn't be taken.  While you may be a competent driver many others are not and it's those people you have to watch out for - driving at speed often lessens the time taken to account for their erratic and uncoordinated behaviour.

Bet you wish you could shoot it across an internet connection. But you'd probably miss, he'd be too fast for you.

LMAO. 

[skinwiz]

Hmmm... Now here's a can of worms! Firstly, well done AA for avoiding what could have been a tragic (at worst) and highly distressing (at best) situation.

Speed limits are there for a reason. I'm in agreement with Lizzie on this, Motorways/Major Trunk roads should have the National limits raised/abolished but towns need limits. Actually, again in agreement with LZ, perhaps 20mph isn't that rediculous :-/

Skinwiz, your attitude is actually quite frightening and surprising. I would have no issues in testifying against you if I were to witness some of the behaviour you describe on the road. [/quote
 if you are happy doing 20 mph , why have you purchased a 3 litre v6 power monster and not a 2.0 ? the whole idea of a 3.0 v6 with a sports button is , well , erm , isnt it to go FAST ?

as your running on 5 pots, hence the need for an injector that i would have sold you...& have now withdrawn the offer in your parts wanted ad.
you wont be going very fast will you.
oh, & your attitude stinks.

oh what is this i see before me , a full inlet manifold complete with 6 injectors , donated , for free , so erm , thanks mate but i'll be back on 6 soon driving free as a bird . and i agree , my attitude does stink 

[skinwiz]

I have often stated that although I believe in no upper speed limits on motorways, on suburban roads the limit should be 20mph.

Yes I think a case can be made for an additional 15 to 20 mph on the NSL on motorways and other suitable roads - providing it's enforced properly so that drivers don't take it as the new base line from which to drive their customary 20/30 mph in excess of the posted limits as many seem to do at the moment.

i totaly understand where you are coming from on this factor , i cant say i would be speeding everywhere if the limits were more reasonable , i dont break the speed limit purely out of some wish to mow down pedestrians its not like that at all , i just dont agree with the current reasons for those limits , if you take the pedestrian factor out of the equation there is no reason that a 20 shouldnt be a 40 and so on

[skinwiz]

got some bad news for you kevin , i am one of the best drivers in greater manchester

You could be Juan Fangio for all I know. Does that make my comment any less valid?

chances of me killing someone , very slim

Not sure how that stacks up with your claim to ignore "idiot kids" by the side of the road. I'm not going to make any claims about my driving experience. I would, however, have thought that you would have been aware of the need to spot all potential hazards ahead (regardless of their worthiness of a place in the gene poll) and adjust your speed in anticipation? A fundamental part of being a great driver, surely? :-/

the only reason everyone thinks its only speeders that kill people is because they are the ones that make the headlines

I agree that speed is only one important factor, and often emphasised over other factors less easy (and profitable) to Police.

Kevin[/quote
wasnt intending to make your quote less valid , apologies if that was how it appeared , discussion is my general aim , not calling people idiots etc  i just dont mind playing the bad guy , helps me to see all sides of an argument , taking things to extremes is a big fault of mine .

[Lazydocker]

if you are happy doing 20 mph , why have you purchased a 3 litre v6 power monster and not a 2.0 ? the whole idea of a 3.0 v6 with a sports button is , well , erm , isnt it to go FAST ?

Yes... And I do go fast! Faster than I should But on the open road, in areas where it is safer. Built up areas, schools etc are not appropriate areas. As I have said before, 30, 40 and 50mph limits are there for reason (normally a very good reason) but, in an area of national speed limit people should be able to drive to the conditions

And for the record, I never use the speedo as more than just a quick glance I judge my speed on what's going on outside the car vehicle as I am sure you are equally capable of doing with your extensive driving experience

I agree with your comment that people should look more carefully when they cross the road but the fact of the matter is that they don't. As all 3 of my driving instructors (car, motorbike, HGV) and, for that matter my flying instructor, told me... You are in control of a lethal weapon, you should respect that weapon