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[albitz]

Purple/yellow funky power stations.

[Psychoca]

Never had a problem with my Dysons...  I do accept they have some major design flaws though...

Back on subject...

Wind Turbines are nasty looking blots on the landscape that should never be...  They are given over inflated statistics with regard to what power they can turn out and cause both psychological and physical issues to people who live in the proximity of the turbines...

For the country to gain a third of its power from renewable sources is laughable.  The only way they will get close to this is by looking at hydroelectric which is by far the most effective form of electrical generation...  Mills weren't built by a river purely for the transport links and the power generated by the wheels was immense...  It would be interesting to know how much electrical power could be generated by a small water wheel, let alone a big wheel...

[Nickbat]

The days of permanently available electricity may be coming to an end.

Families would have to get used to using power only when it was available, rather than constantly.

Steve Holliday, Chief Executive of the National Grid.

I agree with the Bishop's headline: "The third-world ambition of the UK"


http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2011/3/3/the-third-world-ambition-of-the-uk.html

UNBELIEVABLE. 

We'll be the laughing stock of the world.

[albitz]

It is truely shocking where this utter madness is leading us to.
But just maybe things will have to get that bad in order to waken up the general populace as to what is going on.
They may not care too much now, but if the power goes off at the beginning of the Xfactor or eastwhingers it just might provoke a reaction.

[hercules]

Could they strap a fan to Jimbob's backside. Thats a project that would work due to a constant breeze....

i believe they could but the cost of changing the bio obnoxious triple titanium yielded co-flux onated unigrafted granulated heat filters(botty cough) for short is just too expensive,even thought the power he would produce would out weigh 10 turbines

[Mysteryman]

Could they strap a fan to Jimbob's backside. Thats a project that would work due to a constant breeze....

i believe they could but the cost of changing the bio obnoxious triple titanium yielded co-flux onated unigrafted granulated heat filters(botty cough) for short is just too expensive,even thought the power he would produce would out weigh 10 turbines

How long did that take you Daz?

[hercules]

Could they strap a fan to Jimbob's backside. Thats a project that would work due to a constant breeze....

i believe they could but the cost of changing the bio obnoxious triple titanium yielded co-flux onated unigrafted granulated heat filters(botty cough) for short is just too expensive,even thought the power he would produce would out weigh 10 turbines

How long did that take you Daz?

i just copied it from the nasa website,its fact you know

[Mysteryman]

Could they strap a fan to Jimbob's backside. Thats a project that would work due to a constant breeze....

i believe they could but the cost of changing the bio obnoxious triple titanium yielded co-flux onated unigrafted granulated heat filters(botty cough) for short is just too expensive,even thought the power he would produce would out weigh 10 turbines

How long did that take you Daz?

i just copied it from the nasa website,its fact you know

Never doubted it for a minute, mate.

[Tony H]

The only power that can be truly relied on in nature to provide power is the tide. Rivers run dry, winds don't blow but the tide ebbs and flows twice a day without fail. When you consider the potential of the power that could be generated using barrages in areas like Morcambe Bay, the Severn and Mersey estuaries to name but a few the potential is collossal. I realise that these developments could have a huge impact on the environment especially the bird population but in the grand sceme of things this sort of power generation could be the lesser of two evils. If that is climate change is man made, which I think is highly debatable, but thats another story.

[hercules]

The only power that can be truly relied on in nature to provide power is the tide. Rivers run dry, winds don't blow but the tide ebbs and flows twice a day without fail. When you consider the potential of the power that could be generated using barrages in areas like Morcambe Bay, the Severn and Mersey estuaries to name but a few the potential is collossal. I realise that these developments could have a huge impact on the environment especially the bird population but in the grand sceme of things this sort of power generation could be the lesser of two evils. If that is climate change is man made, which I think is highly debatable, but thats another story.

ive seen a prog where they had like a big sausage that generates power when it bobs up an down and there was a wind turbine but upside down and submerged in the middle of an estuary

[albitz]

The only power that can be truly relied on in nature to provide power is the tide. Rivers run dry, winds don't blow but the tide ebbs and flows twice a day without fail. When you consider the potential of the power that could be generated using barrages in areas like Morcambe Bay, the Severn and Mersey estuaries to name but a few the potential is collossal. I realise that these developments could have a huge impact on the environment especially the bird population but in the grand sceme of things this sort of power generation could be the lesser of two evils. If that is climate change is man made, which I think is highly debatable, but thats another story.

ive seen a prog where they had like a big sausage that generates power when it bobs up an down and there was a wind turbine but upside down and submerged in the middle of an estuary

Steady - Pinky and the Groomer will be getting all excited reading that kind of stuff.

[miked]

I have read material which suggests the situation could be even worse than Hitchens suggests - that doesnt happen very often.
When there is no wind to power the turbines they cant be left stood still for long periods.The weight of the blades hanging on the shaft can bend the shaft, therefore they must be kept turning. This is acheived by powering the motors from the National grid. It is thought that the lubrication systems for the huge bearings are also electrically powered - from where ?
It is actually possible that many of these contraptions take more juice out of the grid than they put into it. It seems impossible to find out as the companies who make them refuse to release any information or data to dispel or confirm the rumours. As they are foreign companies, presumably the info cannot be forced out of them under the FOI act ?
It isnt possible to have a sane energy policy, as the energy secretary (Huhne) is a card carrying mentalist.Where is it all going to end. ? :-/

I have just consulted our internal expert and that is a load of old cobblers.

They can sit dormant for extended periods and require no (or very little in order to support the control systems) power....and as they are not turning, no oil is required to be pumped.

The only issue they have with being stationary is that it requires a wind level which is higher than the minimum in order to get them moving again and overcome the inertia issues.

The largest off-shaw turbines need to be continually turned to prevent damage to their bearings.

[miked]

http://uk.reuters.com/news/video/story?videoId=191942115&videoChannel=82

[albitz]

I have read material which suggests the situation could be even worse than Hitchens suggests - that doesnt happen very often.
When there is no wind to power the turbines they cant be left stood still for long periods.The weight of the blades hanging on the shaft can bend the shaft, therefore they must be kept turning. This is acheived by powering the motors from the National grid. It is thought that the lubrication systems for the huge bearings are also electrically powered - from where ?
It is actually possible that many of these contraptions take more juice out of the grid than they put into it. It seems impossible to find out as the companies who make them refuse to release any information or data to dispel or confirm the rumours. As they are foreign companies, presumably the info cannot be forced out of them under the FOI act ?
It isnt possible to have a sane energy policy, as the energy secretary (Huhne) is a card carrying mentalist.Where is it all going to end. ? :-/

I have just consulted our internal expert and that is a load of old cobblers.

They can sit dormant for extended periods and require no (or very little in order to support the control systems) power....and as they are not turning, no oil is required to be pumped.

The only issue they have with being stationary is that it requires a wind level which is higher than the minimum in order to get them moving again and overcome the inertia issues.

The largest off-shaw turbines need to be continually turned to prevent damage to their bearings.

Thankyou.

[Marks DTM Calib]

I have read material which suggests the situation could be even worse than Hitchens suggests - that doesnt happen very often.
When there is no wind to power the turbines they cant be left stood still for long periods.The weight of the blades hanging on the shaft can bend the shaft, therefore they must be kept turning. This is acheived by powering the motors from the National grid. It is thought that the lubrication systems for the huge bearings are also electrically powered - from where ?
It is actually possible that many of these contraptions take more juice out of the grid than they put into it. It seems impossible to find out as the companies who make them refuse to release any information or data to dispel or confirm the rumours. As they are foreign companies, presumably the info cannot be forced out of them under the FOI act ?
It isnt possible to have a sane energy policy, as the energy secretary (Huhne) is a card carrying mentalist.Where is it all going to end. ? :-/

I have just consulted our internal expert and that is a load of old cobblers.

They can sit dormant for extended periods and require no (or very little in order to support the control systems) power....and as they are not turning, no oil is required to be pumped.

The only issue they have with being stationary is that it requires a wind level which is higher than the minimum in order to get them moving again and overcome the inertia issues.

The largest off-shaw turbines need to be continually turned to prevent damage to their bearings.

Not according to one of my buisness partners.....who is a designer of the biggest turbines out there.

They only rotate thiers during low winds to ensure they can respond faster to varying wind conditions  (new job has a lot of contact with this industry and I am running a wave power research project)