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[cem_devecioglu]

It appears some Americans feel its payback 

http://hurtyoubad.com/?p=9982

For those old farts amongst us, those are facebook status posts 

now checked the link.. I'm definitely surprised at this level of hate after many years.. must be teaching dangle berries at the school

But you must admit, those Japs were bad buggers to our POWs....

War crimes, as far as I remember were punished many many years ago..some rare pescaped that (nazis)..

however I do believe that those times and bad memories must be burried or you can never stop fighting.. :-/

We're talking Americans here Cem. The most bigotted, uneducated, fattest b'stards in the world.

not all of them but for the avg people you have right..

[Dave C]

You just have to look at the comment made by MARTY MANN:

Yeah I hate it for Japan but remember those idiots started World War 2. They bombed Pearl Harbour.

Was it not the Germans who invaded Poland in 1939 that started World War 2?  How the Americans forget the years before their involvement.

[cem_devecioglu]

You just have to look at the comment made by MARTY MANN:

Yeah I hate it for Japan but remember those idiots started World War 2. They bombed Pearl Harbour.

Was it not the Germans who invaded Poland in 1939 that started World War 2?  How the Americans forget the years before their involvement.

 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

You just have to look at the comment made by MARTY MANN:

Yeah I hate it for Japan but remember those idiots started World War 2. They bombed Pearl Harbour.

Was it not the Germans who invaded Poland in 1939 that started World War 2?  How the Americans forget the years before their involvement.

Interesting, and on the face of it correct.  But actually it could be argued WW2 was born out of the Great War and then the Versailles Treaty, which made the last World War inevitable as recognised by some in 1919.  As for the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbour at 0755 on the 7th of December 1941, thank God they did.  It resulted in the USA coming into the war that did save the British situation, and gave us all the added bonus of Hitler's Germany declaring war on the United States when already engaged in operation BARBAROSSA in Russia!

What luck that all was, and it was the most defining moment of the war which spelt the eventual demise of the Nazis

God bless America, and please never insult an American in front of me!

[HolyCount]

I don't think this time of suffering in Japan is the time to be discussing past atrocities. As I have said, we also have historical blood on our hands. These comments, admitedly made by Americans in general, are the product of a minority stuck and guided by the past. With due respect to the American people in general, and to you, Lizzie. The Americans do tend to cry the loudest when they are hurt and suffering. Can they not respect the hurt and suffering in Japan?

Surely they cannot blame those children for Pearl Harbour.

[Mysteryman]

You just have to look at the comment made by MARTY MANN:

Yeah I hate it for Japan but remember those idiots started World War 2. They bombed Pearl Harbour.

Was it not the Germans who invaded Poland in 1939 that started World War 2?  How the Americans forget the years before their involvement.

Interesting, and on the face of it correct.  But actually it could be argued WW2 was born out of the Great War and then the Versailles Treaty, which made the last World War inevitable as recognised by some in 1919.  As for the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbour at 0755 on the 7th of December 1941, thank God they did.  It resulted in the USA coming into the war that did save the British situation, and gave us all the added bonus of Hitler's Germany declaring war on the United States when already engaged in operation BARBAROSSA in Russia!

What luck that all was, and it was the most defining moment of the war which spelt the eventual demise of the Nazis

God bless America, and please never insult an American in front of me!

I think I just did.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I don't think this time of suffering in Japan is the time to be discussing past atrocities. As I have said, we also have historical blood on our hands. These comments, admitedly made by Americans in general, are the product of a minority stuck and guided by the past. With due respect to the American people in general, and to you, Lizzie. The Americans do tend to cry the loudest when they are hurt and suffering. Can they not respect the hurt and suffering in Japan?

Surely they cannot blame those children for Pearl Harbour.

I agree HC, and my post was an attempt to correct a few misconceptions

The past is the past, and in fact modern day Japan owes a great deal to the USA.  Why anyone wants to rake up past emotions of blaming Japan for anything today is beyond me.

The suffering of all people must be the world's concern, and at the moment the attention must be on the horrors suffered, and still being suffered, by the Japanese people

[cem_devecioglu]

You just have to look at the comment made by MARTY MANN:

Yeah I hate it for Japan but remember those idiots started World War 2. They bombed Pearl Harbour.

Was it not the Germans who invaded Poland in 1939 that started World War 2?  How the Americans forget the years before their involvement.

Interesting, and on the face of it correct.  But actually it could be argued WW2 was born out of the Great War and then the Versailles Treaty, which made the last World War inevitable as recognised by some in 1919.  As for the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbour at 0755 on the 7th of December 1941, thank God they did.  It resulted in the USA coming into the war that did save the British situation, and gave us all the added bonus of Hitler's Germany declaring war on the United States when already engaged in operation BARBAROSSA in Russia!

What luck that all was, and it was the most defining moment of the war which spelt the eventual demise of the Nazis

God bless America, and please never insult an American in front of me!

Lizzie, Hitler was financially and resourcefully finished after they go deep in Russian lands.. Imo, Americas entering the scene may only have the effect of shortening the war period but remember they rejected to declare war to Germany in the hardest days of Britain when they were fighting with Germany in the skies and under bombardement..

[Mysteryman]

They were forced into it Cem. Mind you, they got the hang of it after that, doesn't take them long to get involved now. :-?

[Lizzie_Zoom]

You just have to look at the comment made by MARTY MANN:

Yeah I hate it for Japan but remember those idiots started World War 2. They bombed Pearl Harbour.

Was it not the Germans who invaded Poland in 1939 that started World War 2?  How the Americans forget the years before their involvement.

Interesting, and on the face of it correct.  But actually it could be argued WW2 was born out of the Great War and then the Versailles Treaty, which made the last World War inevitable as recognised by some in 1919.  As for the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbour at 0755 on the 7th of December 1941, thank God they did.  It resulted in the USA coming into the war that did save the British situation, and gave us all the added bonus of Hitler's Germany declaring war on the United States when already engaged in operation BARBAROSSA in Russia!

What luck that all was, and it was the most defining moment of the war which spelt the eventual demise of the Nazis

God bless America, and please never insult an American in front of me!

Lizzie, Hitler was financially and resourcefully finished after they go deep in Russian lands.. Imo, Americas entering the scene may only have the effect of shortening the war period but remember they rejected to declare war to Germany in the hardest days of Britain when they were fighting with Germany in the skies and under bombardement..

We know all that only too well Cem!  But President Roosevelt did as much as he politically could to assist in meeting some of Churchill's pleas for armaments and supplies, albeit at much cost to Britain!   However, it must be remembered that isolationism existed in the majority throughout America, and they did not want to get embroiled in yet another European conflict.  The founding fathers had left Britain and Europe to get away from all that!

However 7th December 1941 was THE turning point, and in fact Britain would have struggled to win back Europe from the Nazis without American help.  The war would have dragged on for many years more than it did without the industrial might, and pure manpower numbers of the USA.  There was no guarantee that the USSR would overcome the Nazis, but the American involvement kept very much alive the Allies offensive on the Western and Southern fronts.  Britain had kept the Nazis at bay from their 'fortress' that would become the base for the future fight back.  Without American might however, Britain would not have had the resources to continually attack German interests, and then eventually push the Nazis back from North Africa, Sicily and Normandy.  Britain would also have not been in a position to supply Russia with much needed supplies without the feed from the USA.

No, the USA involvement, as much as sometimes I wish it had been different as it resulted in Britain owing £3 billion by 1945, was crucial in securing victory in Europe by May 1945.  Then of course the USA was also crucial, indeed the absolute key, to the defeat of the Japanese.  The British would not have secured such a victory by themselves.

But that is all history, and today both Germany and Japan are very different countries, with the latter going through a disaster at least as challenging as WW2 itself

[cem_devecioglu]

You just have to look at the comment made by MARTY MANN:

Yeah I hate it for Japan but remember those idiots started World War 2. They bombed Pearl Harbour.

Was it not the Germans who invaded Poland in 1939 that started World War 2?  How the Americans forget the years before their involvement.

Interesting, and on the face of it correct.  But actually it could be argued WW2 was born out of the Great War and then the Versailles Treaty, which made the last World War inevitable as recognised by some in 1919.  As for the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbour at 0755 on the 7th of December 1941, thank God they did.  It resulted in the USA coming into the war that did save the British situation, and gave us all the added bonus of Hitler's Germany declaring war on the United States when already engaged in operation BARBAROSSA in Russia!

What luck that all was, and it was the most defining moment of the war which spelt the eventual demise of the Nazis

God bless America, and please never insult an American in front of me!

Lizzie, Hitler was financially and resourcefully finished after they go deep in Russian lands.. Imo, Americas entering the scene may only have the effect of shortening the war period but remember they rejected to declare war to Germany in the hardest days of Britain when they were fighting with Germany in the skies and under bombardement..

We know all that only too well Cem!  But President Roosevelt did as much as he politically could to assist in meeting some of Churchill's pleas for armaments and supplies, albeit at much cost to Britain!   However, it must be remembered that isolationism existed in the majority throughout America, and they did not want to get embroiled in yet another European conflict.  The founding fathers had left Britain and Europe to get away from all that!

However 7th December 1941 was THE turning point, and in fact Britain would have struggled to win back Europe from the Nazis without American help.

thats a debatable subject Lizzie, but one thing is sure.. Europe map would be very different, >

  The war would have dragged on for many years more than it did without the industrial might, and pure manpower numbers of the USA.  There was no guarantee that the USSR would overcome the Nazis,

 after the Russians start to beat Germany.. Remember they break all German lines and visit Hitler in Berlin


 but the American involvement kept very much alive the Allies offensive on the Western and Southern fronts.  Britain had kept the Nazis at bay from their 'fortress' that would become the base for the future fight back.  Without American might however, Britain would not have had the resources to continually attack German interests, and then eventually push the Nazis back from North Africa,

North Africa  :-? remember Monty beat Rommel alone without any help..

 Sicily and Normandy. 

And for Normandy, Americans made the worst plan in history ever.. Brits would do alone better imo  

 Britain would also have not been in a position to supply Russia with much needed supplies without the feed from the USA.

thats also debatable..


No, the USA involvement, as much as sometimes I wish it had been different as it resulted in Britain owing £3 billion by 1945, was crucial in securing victory in Europe by May 1945.  Then of course the USA was also crucial, indeed the absolute key, to the defeat of the Japanese.  The British would not have secured such a victory by themselves.

But that is all history, and today both Germany and Japan are very different countries, with the latter going through a disaster at least as challenging as WW2 itself

[o-meg-a]

Most Americans who consider themselves truely American (Eg, consider themselves to be non-immigrants and be of american origin), are really in fact mostly European as history dictates lol.

Apart from native americans of course......

So most arguements are null and void.

thought i'd stir it up!!!!

And just to say also, that i think the last thing being discussed while Japan is counting its dead, is the history of said countries. IMO it would have no bearing on my sympathies for them.

In the same way that you cannot judge "a people", as in a population of a country, by their leaders actions!
Its short sighted.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

You just have to look at the comment made by MARTY MANN:

Yeah I hate it for Japan but remember those idiots started World War 2. They bombed Pearl Harbour.

Was it not the Germans who invaded Poland in 1939 that started World War 2?  How the Americans forget the years before their involvement.

Interesting, and on the face of it correct.  But actually it could be argued WW2 was born out of the Great War and then the Versailles Treaty, which made the last World War inevitable as recognised by some in 1919.  As for the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbour at 0755 on the 7th of December 1941, thank God they did.  It resulted in the USA coming into the war that did save the British situation, and gave us all the added bonus of Hitler's Germany declaring war on the United States when already engaged in operation BARBAROSSA in Russia!

What luck that all was, and it was the most defining moment of the war which spelt the eventual demise of the Nazis

God bless America, and please never insult an American in front of me!

Lizzie, Hitler was financially and resourcefully finished after they go deep in Russian lands.. Imo, Americas entering the scene may only have the effect of shortening the war period but remember they rejected to declare war to Germany in the hardest days of Britain when they were fighting with Germany in the skies and under bombardement..

We know all that only too well Cem!  But President Roosevelt did as much as he politically could to assist in meeting some of Churchill's pleas for armaments and supplies, albeit at much cost to Britain!   However, it must be remembered that isolationism existed in the majority throughout America, and they did not want to get embroiled in yet another European conflict.  The founding fathers had left Britain and Europe to get away from all that!

However 7th December 1941 was THE turning point, and in fact Britain would have struggled to win back Europe from the Nazis without American help.

thats a debatable subject Lizzie, but one thing is sure.. Europe map would be very different, >

  The war would have dragged on for many years more than it did without the industrial might, and pure manpower numbers of the USA.  There was no guarantee that the USSR would overcome the Nazis,

 after the Russians start to beat Germany.. Remember they break all German lines and visit Hitler in Berlin


Only after British and American forces had kept the Germans busy in the West.


 but the American involvement kept very much alive the Allies offensive on the Western and Southern fronts.  Britain had kept the Nazis at bay from their 'fortress' that would become the base for the future fight back.  Without American might however, Britain would not have had the resources to continually attack German interests, and then eventually push the Nazis back from North Africa,

North Africa  :-? remember Monty beat Rommel alone without any help..

Not strictly true Cem, the Americans were fighting in the West of North Africa with the British there and in the Eastern sector.  Yes Alamein was a British victory, but Rommel's forces had been weakened by the American and British onslaught, coupled to the Allies crippling of the Afrika Korps. supply lines.

 Sicily and Normandy. 

And for Normandy, Americans made the worst plan in history ever.. Brits would do alone better imo  

That may be Cem, but what happened after the 6th of June was a great combination of British and American military might.

 Britain would also have not been in a position to supply Russia with much needed supplies without the feed from the USA.

thats also debatable..

Sorry Cem but the North Atlantic conveys up to December 1941 were being hammered by the German U Boats, so Britain was on the verge of running out of essential supplies, with Churchill deeply worried about the situation.  The full American involvement after that date meant Britain could help out Russia.


No, the USA involvement, as much as sometimes I wish it had been different as it resulted in Britain owing £3 billion by 1945, was crucial in securing victory in Europe by May 1945.  Then of course the USA was also crucial, indeed the absolute key, to the defeat of the Japanese.  The British would not have secured such a victory by themselves.

But that is all history, and today both Germany and Japan are very different countries, with the latter going through a disaster at least as challenging as WW2 itself

[o-meg-a]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-zfCBCq-8I

this is a reality check for anyone.....

[cem_devecioglu]

You just have to look at the comment made by MARTY MANN:

Yeah I hate it for Japan but remember those idiots started World War 2. They bombed Pearl Harbour.

Was it not the Germans who invaded Poland in 1939 that started World War 2?  How the Americans forget the years before their involvement.

Interesting, and on the face of it correct.  But actually it could be argued WW2 was born out of the Great War and then the Versailles Treaty, which made the last World War inevitable as recognised by some in 1919.  As for the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbour at 0755 on the 7th of December 1941, thank God they did.  It resulted in the USA coming into the war that did save the British situation, and gave us all the added bonus of Hitler's Germany declaring war on the United States when already engaged in operation BARBAROSSA in Russia!

What luck that all was, and it was the most defining moment of the war which spelt the eventual demise of the Nazis

God bless America, and please never insult an American in front of me!

Lizzie, Hitler was financially and resourcefully finished after they go deep in Russian lands.. Imo, Americas entering the scene may only have the effect of shortening the war period but remember they rejected to declare war to Germany in the hardest days of Britain when they were fighting with Germany in the skies and under bombardement..

We know all that only too well Cem!  But President Roosevelt did as much as he politically could to assist in meeting some of Churchill's pleas for armaments and supplies, albeit at much cost to Britain!   However, it must be remembered that isolationism existed in the majority throughout America, and they did not want to get embroiled in yet another European conflict.  The founding fathers had left Britain and Europe to get away from all that!

However 7th December 1941 was THE turning point, and in fact Britain would have struggled to win back Europe from the Nazis without American help.

thats a debatable subject Lizzie, but one thing is sure.. Europe map would be very different, >

  The war would have dragged on for many years more than it did without the industrial might, and pure manpower numbers of the USA.  There was no guarantee that the USSR would overcome the Nazis,

 after the Russians start to beat Germany.. Remember they break all German lines and visit Hitler in Berlin


Only after British and American forces had kept the Germans busy in the West.

lets be honest Lizzie.. Russian winter and Russians  beat Germans  Lizzie.. take a look at German armies and divisons distribution.. Western forces fight with Hitlers finger during that period

seriously , best German armies were on the east and North Africa..



 but the American involvement kept very much alive the Allies offensive on the Western and Southern fronts.  Britain had kept the Nazis at bay from their 'fortress' that would become the base for the future fight back.  Without American might however, Britain would not have had the resources to continually attack German interests, and then eventually push the Nazis back from North Africa,

North Africa  :-? remember Monty beat Rommel alone without any help..

Not strictly true Cem, the Americans were fighting in the West of North Africa with the British there and in the Eastern sector.  Yes Alamein was a British victory,.


thats it!


but Rommel's forces had been weakened by the American and British onslaught, coupled to the Allies crippling of the Afrika Korps. supply lines.

 Sicily and Normandy. 

And for Normandy, Americans made the worst plan in history ever.. Brits would do alone better imo  

That may be Cem, but what happened after the 6th of June was a great combination of British and American military might.

Confess Lizzie, Americans mess up

 Britain would also have not been in a position to supply Russia with much needed supplies without the feed from the USA.

thats also debatable..

Sorry Cem but the North Atlantic conveys up to December 1941 were being hammered by the German U Boats, so Britain was on the verge of running out of essential supplies, with Churchill deeply worried about the situation.  The full American involved after that date meant Britain could help out Russia.

No, the USA involvement, as much as sometimes I wish it had been different as it resulted in Britain owing £3 billion by 1945, was crucial in securing victory in Europe by May 1945.  Then of course the USA was also crucial, indeed the absolute key, to the defeat of the Japanese.  The British would not have secured such a victory by themselves.

But that is all history, and today both Germany and Japan are very different countries, with the latter going through a disaster at least as challenging as WW2 itself