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Nickbat

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Re: Serious earthquake in Japan
« Reply #105 on: 15 March 2011, 23:00:25 »

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No reason to live on trees ;D but honestly you dont need n tv's,  n pc's and n house stuff currently working at the same time.. :y

Cem , it's not just a case of TVs, PCs & lightbulbs. Practically everything we do/make/buy/rely upon these days is based upon a consistent supply of electricity: food production, hospitals, schools, factories, transport, communication, etc. And that is not just the case in the filthy "capitalist" West, but throughout the world.

More people died in the Manhatten bus crash last Sunday than have ever died in nuclear accidents in the US! Yes, of course, any loss of life is sad, but we need to learn lessons and press on...not go backwards!  ::)

Nickbat, traffic accidents dont have the potential of poisoning and killing millions in a day and resulting with abondoned cities and large areas for thousands of years.. And I would really prefer to die quickly in an accident instead of being burned with radiation and suffering in big pain for many days.. :(


There were no deaths from the Three Mile Island event and only 56 attributable to Chernobyl.

I think you have been reading too much sensationalist press, Cem.  ;)

what about the fallen babies from pregnant mothers ?

or abnormal births ?


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article563521.ece
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cem_devecioglu

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Re: Serious earthquake in Japan
« Reply #106 on: 15 March 2011, 23:02:54 »

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No reason to live on trees ;D but honestly you dont need n tv's,  n pc's and n house stuff currently working at the same time.. :y

Cem , it's not just a case of TVs, PCs & lightbulbs. Practically everything we do/make/buy/rely upon these days is based upon a consistent supply of electricity: food production, hospitals, schools, factories, transport, communication, etc. And that is not just the case in the filthy "capitalist" West, but throughout the world.

More people died in the Manhatten bus crash last Sunday than have ever died in nuclear accidents in the US! Yes, of course, any loss of life is sad, but we need to learn lessons and press on...not go backwards!  ::)

Nickbat, traffic accidents dont have the potential of poisoning and killing millions in a day and resulting with abondoned cities and large areas for thousands of years.. And I would really prefer to die quickly in an accident instead of being burned with radiation and suffering in big pain for many days.. :(


There were no deaths from the Three Mile Island event and only 56 attributable to Chernobyl.

I think you have been reading too much sensationalist press, Cem.  ;)

what about the fallen babies from pregnant mothers ?

or abnormal births ?


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article563521.ece

Nickbat, I can give many disturbing links and pictures..But prefer not to..
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Nickbat

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Re: Serious earthquake in Japan
« Reply #107 on: 15 March 2011, 23:10:45 »

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No reason to live on trees ;D but honestly you dont need n tv's,  n pc's and n house stuff currently working at the same time.. :y

Cem , it's not just a case of TVs, PCs & lightbulbs. Practically everything we do/make/buy/rely upon these days is based upon a consistent supply of electricity: food production, hospitals, schools, factories, transport, communication, etc. And that is not just the case in the filthy "capitalist" West, but throughout the world.

More people died in the Manhatten bus crash last Sunday than have ever died in nuclear accidents in the US! Yes, of course, any loss of life is sad, but we need to learn lessons and press on...not go backwards!  ::)

Nickbat, traffic accidents dont have the potential of poisoning and killing millions in a day and resulting with abondoned cities and large areas for thousands of years.. And I would really prefer to die quickly in an accident instead of being burned with radiation and suffering in big pain for many days.. :(


There were no deaths from the Three Mile Island event and only 56 attributable to Chernobyl.

I think you have been reading too much sensationalist press, Cem.  ;)

what about the fallen babies from pregnant mothers ?

or abnormal births ?


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article563521.ece

Nickbat, I can give many disturbing links and pictures..But prefer not to..

Cem, there have always been deformed births, stillborn children, people dying painful deaths from cancer. The fact remains that mankind now lives  longer healthier lives than ever before and there are over 400 nuclear installations around the world, with that figure set to double in the next few decades. Do you really want the clock to turn back to the Middle Ages when life expectancy was appallingly low? If you want to "feel" for peoples' distress, then numerically, it's more important to think about those whose bodies have been washed up in their thousands from the tsunami in Japan. I would hazard a guess that the death toll from that will FAR outweigh the radiation figure, ao why the concentration on the nuclear aspect?  :-?      
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cem_devecioglu

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« Reply #108 on: 15 March 2011, 23:21:19 »

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No reason to live on trees ;D but honestly you dont need n tv's,  n pc's and n house stuff currently working at the same time.. :y

Cem , it's not just a case of TVs, PCs & lightbulbs. Practically everything we do/make/buy/rely upon these days is based upon a consistent supply of electricity: food production, hospitals, schools, factories, transport, communication, etc. And that is not just the case in the filthy "capitalist" West, but throughout the world.

More people died in the Manhatten bus crash last Sunday than have ever died in nuclear accidents in the US! Yes, of course, any loss of life is sad, but we need to learn lessons and press on...not go backwards!  ::)

Nickbat, traffic accidents dont have the potential of poisoning and killing millions in a day and resulting with abondoned cities and large areas for thousands of years.. And I would really prefer to die quickly in an accident instead of being burned with radiation and suffering in big pain for many days.. :(


There were no deaths from the Three Mile Island event and only 56 attributable to Chernobyl.

I think you have been reading too much sensationalist press, Cem.  ;)

what about the fallen babies from pregnant mothers ?

or abnormal births ?


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article563521.ece

Nickbat, I can give many disturbing links and pictures..But prefer not to..

Cem, there have always been deformed births, stillborn children, people dying painful deaths from cancer. The fact remains that mankind now lives  longer healthier lives than ever before and there are over 400 nuclear installations around the world, with that figure set to double in the next few decades.

have you ever seen a study working on short and long term effects ?


Do you really want the clock to turn back to the Middle Ages when life expectancy was appallingly low?

there is no reason to reverse the time.. and there is no reason to poison people and earth where there are many alternatives  not finished yet..

If you want to "feel" for peoples' distress, then numerically, it's more important to think about those whose bodies have been washed up in their thousands from the tsunami in Japan. I would hazard a guess that the death toll from that will FAR outweigh the radiation figure, ao why the concentration on the nuclear aspect?  :-?      


did you know how many abnormal births occur in Turkey (black sea region)  close to Russia..The "numbers" (which is really a human but cant define on the pictures :'() abnormally increase..

yep.. Japanese people have big losses because of Tsunami.. But the difference is its not "human made"..
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Nickbat

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Re: Serious earthquake in Japan
« Reply #109 on: 15 March 2011, 23:33:16 »

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did you know how many abnormal births occur in Turkey (black sea region)  close to Russia..The "numbers" (which is really a human but cant define on the pictures :'() abnormally increase..

yep.. Japanese people have big losses because of Tsunami.. But the difference is its not "human made"..

"Big losses" from the tsunami? We are talking many thousands here. Far more than is currently expect from radiation. But I do not understand  why you should get so agitated about the difference between many thousand dead from drowning and, as yet, just a handful from something "human made".

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Lizzie_Zoom

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Re: Serious earthquake in Japan
« Reply #110 on: 16 March 2011, 08:03:15 »

Cem, I think I have made my case already against any panic by the public on the risks of nuclear power generation, and instead going forward to embrace it as it is safer than anything we have done before.

However one final question for you.  If nuclear power generation is so risky on a par with a nuclear bomb, why did Japan of all countries decide to embrace it by building large power stations, and continue using them?

After all Japan lost around 210,000 people as a result of the dropping of nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945.  Yet they very actively decided to use the nuclear route to generate 60% of their power.  They are of course without their own fossil fuels to support alternative means of generation, but they could have imported those fuels.  No, they decided that the risks were, and still are so small, that even with their history of 'involvement' with nuclear energy, they still went full steam ahead building the very large, 6 reactor, plant at Fukushima, along with others. ;)
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cem_devecioglu

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Re: Serious earthquake in Japan
« Reply #111 on: 16 March 2011, 09:23:33 »

answer : nuclear power is cheap and so is human life :D

140,000 under quarantine and foreign help groups faced radiation ::) ::)  go on...
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cem_devecioglu

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Re: Serious earthquake in Japan
« Reply #112 on: 16 March 2011, 09:34:31 »

I see the total picture as complete irresponsibility..

first let the humans populate as much as they can..
so you can make them work cheaply at your factories.. feed these masses with hormone injected foods.. and what you need extra .. energy..  declare wars to invade the oil fields.. still not enough.. build nuclear power plants to feed all those industries and overpopulated human kind..  Perfect!!!

its like a bad joke really.. if thats how we handle the world, we will see later how it handles us..

why you think so many people is dying from cancer ?remember we pay this with our lifes suffering till death..


looking at an event is one thing , perception and understanding is another .. completely different..
I hope when we grasp and understand whats happening around us, we will quit from being paid organic robots of capitalist system ..  :(
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Re: Serious earthquake in Japan
« Reply #113 on: 16 March 2011, 09:40:36 »

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why you think so many people is dying from cancer ?remember we pay this with our lifes suffering till death..

That's simply because they're not dying much earlier in life as a result of poor sanitation, poor diet, poor accommodation, poor healthcare and poor standards of law and order. All things that have been improved by a reliable energy supply and the industrialisation which you seem set against. :-/

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cem_devecioglu

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Re: Serious earthquake in Japan
« Reply #114 on: 16 March 2011, 09:52:49 »

and my final words, as I dont want to continue on that subject any more;

the 50 volunteers of the Japanese power plant who continue to work under high radiation..  I salute you.. I wish you will be remembered forever.. :y :y
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Lizzie_Zoom

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Re: Serious earthquake in Japan
« Reply #115 on: 16 March 2011, 09:55:15 »

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I see the total picture as complete irresponsibility..

first let the humans populate as much as they can..
so you can make them work cheaply at your factories.. feed these masses with hormone injected foods.. and what you need extra .. energy..  declare wars to invade the oil fields.. still not enough.. build nuclear power plants to feed all those industries and overpopulated human kind..  Perfect!!!

its like a bad joke really.. if thats how we handle the world, we will see later how it handles us..

why you think so many people is dying from cancer ?remember we pay this with our lifes suffering till death..


looking at an event is one thing , perception and understanding is another .. completely different..
I hope when we grasp and understand whats happening around us, we will quit from being paid organic robots of capitalist system ..  :(

So you believe there is a better system than capitalism Cem?  What was so good about a communist system?  Did Russia especially treat life as more precious than a capitalist system does?

The answer is no, as in the USSR life was considered purely as the means to drive and protect 'the system'.  Stalin signed death warrents galour against humble "citizens", and certainly during WW2 killed millions.  He blamed the Germans, but his forces shot in the back untold numbers of decent soldiers, and civilians, who did not stand and fight, or disagreed with Stalin's policies.  Of the some 56 million killed in WW2, 25 million or so Russians were killed with an untold percentage killed by Stalin's forces! Do not forget either about the Russian Cossacks; yes they served on both the Nazis and Russian 'sides', but at the end of the war Britain handed over between 40-50 thousand of them to Stalin (the infamous Betrayal of the Cossacks!), with a vast percentage of them being subsequently executed or imprisoned.  The great purges and "collectivisation's" during the Stalin years also killed millions of Russian citizens.

He also cared so much about other lives outside of the USSR, that he slaughtered tens of thousands of Polish servicemen and civilians, or let them be murdered by the Germans.

Even post Stalin, the USSR did not protect it own people any better, and had many unsafe working practices in the military and industry.  Chernobyl was the prime example of that.

So Cem, any argument that the capitalist system, especially in the democratic world, treats human life in a lesser way than communism, or any other know system, for me falls on stoney ground :P :P

In fact in todays world we actually care far more about human life that we ever have before in human history.  We have more "safety" features and H&S regulations in all walks of life than we have ever had before.  Read history and you soon understand that fact.  Cannon fodder was no false discription in the past; the masses were often considered "expendable" in war, let alone industrial life.

The nuclear risks are so small, and effect so few people, that it cannot be compared to the risks of the past for humans.  We are safer now than ever before, especially with nuclear energy as oppossed to the fossil fuel processes of the past as I mentioned earlier. :y :y
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Debs.

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Re: Serious earthquake in Japan
« Reply #116 on: 16 March 2011, 10:00:53 »

Being so far from our comfortable daily-lives, perhaps the individual scale and impact of this multiple tragedy is being lost in discussions of nuclear 'politics'. :'(

I`m certain some-here may wish to join me in contributing toward the Japanese Red Cross` direct-relief efforts 'on the ground'. :y

http://www.jrc.or.jp/english/relief/l4/Vcms4_00002070.html

*Donation via bank-transfer will become immediately available for the Red Cross and will used directly for victims.
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aaronjb

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« Reply #117 on: 16 March 2011, 10:33:27 »

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Being so far from our comfortable daily-lives, perhaps the individual scale and impact of this multiple tragedy is being lost in discussions of nuclear 'politics'. :'(

I`m certain some-here may wish to join me in contributing toward the Japanese Red Cross` direct-relief efforts 'on the ground'. :y

http://www.jrc.or.jp/english/relief/l4/Vcms4_00002070.html

*Donation via bank-transfer will become immediately available for the Red Cross and will used directly for victims.

You raise a good point, Debs (though debate is always good) .. indeed my employer is matching 1:1 any contributions made by employees to the Red Cross.
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Debs.

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Earthquake in Japan: British Red Tape
« Reply #118 on: 16 March 2011, 11:42:30 »

Good old fashioned British Red-Tape/Health and Safety again! >:(
For goodness` sake, it`s an emergency; isn`t it?!?!?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12756366
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Lizzie_Zoom

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Re: Earthquake in Japan: British Red Tape
« Reply #119 on: 16 March 2011, 11:49:27 »

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Good old fashioned British Red-Tape/Health and Safety again! >:(
For goodness` sake, it`s an emergency; isn`t it?!?!?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12756366


Oh dear Debs!! :o :o :o :o :o  What a nonense! ::) ::) ::) >:( >:(

Goes back to my posts to Cem about the "safety" aspect of our lives today, but this in consequence to that is the nonense we all face now! :P :P :P

If the paperwork is not complete, it cannot be done ::) ::) ::)

Did the great builders of the British Empire worry about such things when travelling to other countries to build great projects and do British business?  Of course not, but in the modern age we have to make sure even our shadows have the right clearance to move! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Makes me soooooo angry!! >:( >:( >:( >:(
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