for me banjax youre missing the point I wanted to make. Re all the stuff about "role models" I tend to disagree that they are or even should be. He -like many "celebs" -dont want to be role models, its something others foist upon them. For eg I remember Noel Gallagher talking about it. I mean, in their day, Oasis were a bloody good band and sure they wanted to make money and be famous and all that but they also wanted to be thought of as a good band who made good music (anyone worth anything has to have an element of professional conceit about what they do) so why should they change and pretend that they dont swear/drink/smoke/take drugs? Remember Mccartney's admission of taking LSD? Quite rightly he put the publicising of that back into the court of the journalists. He wasnt going to lie about it but it was up to them, if the journalists really thought that publishing it would encourage Beatle fans to take acid then they shouldnt publish it. They did because it was a story and they had no moral claims to make. To a degree its about integrity and honesty-just dont pretend to ber something youre not just because its the wrong PR "image". What I have against Rooney-and others-isnt that he should behave better because he is a role model, but because it shows lack of common manners and respect. Just because someone has come from an impoverished background and through whatever means now earns more than you or me could ever dream of doesnt mean that he/she shouldnt mind their mouth!Cyrille Regis makes the point in his autobiography about the role that people in the club have to play in assisting young players with this transition. Obviously Fergie is not the man in this regard.