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[Chris_H]

Here's a question..

If you're sitting at a set of lights (on red, obviously) with a red light camera and the emergency services are coming and you need to make room.. would you go over the line and risk triggering the camera and getting done?

I think I recall this scenario being debated on here some time back where a poster had got a naughty-ticket.

[albitz]

The bad apples seem to be floating to the top of the barrel. Ive just watched yates of the yard being interviewed by the parliamentary commitee and he was imo, lying through his teeth.

[rikki_essex]

I must say you alway get the odd bad one. three weeks ago my best friend was killed on impact in an accident and the traffic sargent really was the biggest knob i have ever encountered. My other friend was driving behind him at the time and he see the whole thing and called me to the scene and i got there five minutes after it happend. We couldnt get anywhere near him as he was upside down in a ditch that was covered in brambles. But the copper arrested my other mate for death by dangerous driving these charges have now been dropped as he never done anything wrong. But the thing that really got to me was how he told us he was dead it was so unsypathetic he just said oh by the way your mate is dead it really shocked me and i know these guys see it day in and day out but it was the most horrific day of my life and people like that dont need to be that way i understand they get frustrated see a young life lost due to silly behavour but it doesnt need to be made even worse than it already is.

[aaronjb]

Here's a question..

If you're sitting at a set of lights (on red, obviously) with a red light camera and the emergency services are coming and you need to make room.. would you go over the line and risk triggering the camera and getting done?

I did exactly this in Cardiff about 2 years ago, for an ambulance.

Presumably the local camera partnership saw the ambulance in the shot, and applied common sense, as I never received a NIP...

Good to know It was a genuine question too really - although where I live now there is a beautiful lack of cameras of any kind (just two red light cameras that I know of) so it's not so much of an issue.. Then again I imagine you have to be a reasonable distance over the line to trigger the camera anyway.

[LJay]

I put more effort into moving for fire and ambulance

So you'd happily hold up a police vehicle on an emergency shout, (potentially endangernig some innocent victim of crime) Yet if you were in serious trouble and needed Police assistance, I've absolutely no doubt you'd moan if they weren't there in lightning speed.

People weren't wrong when they said it's a thankless job.

Wow!  Why should England tremble?  Oh it's because free speech is twisted into incriminating evidence, that's why!

Oh and for the record I'd be more inclined to sort my own mess out than call the police!

[Auto Addict]

When I was training for my RoSPA advanced driving test, I attended a lecture by a police instructor.

His advice was, pull over when safe to do so, do not be bullied into breaking the law, i.e. mounting the pavement or jumping traffic lights to get out of their way.

They are taught not to bully their way through traffic if it's impossible for the car in front of them to move out of the way safely.

[LJay]

When I was training for my RoSPA advanced driving test, I attended a lecture by a police instructor.

His advice was, pull over when safe to do so, do not be bullied into breaking the law, i.e. mounting the pavement or jumping traffic lights to get out of their way.

They are taught not to bully their way through traffic if it's impossible for the car in front of them to move out of the way safely.

In my experience they had slept through that particular lesson!

[neilr]

saw 3 police cars last week with blues and sirens stayed back from junction as they were turning right i watched in amazement as 1 of them nearly rolled the focus he was "driving" should have been done for dangerous driving in my opinon.

[Martin_1962]

The bad apples seem to be floating to the top of the barrel. Ive just watched yates of the yard being interviewed by the parliamentary commitee and he was imo, lying through his teeth.

I thought this but his boss I thought otherwise, last saw a pair of gimps being interviewed a prune and a  slightly camp yank.

[Lazydocker]

Here's a question..

If you're sitting at a set of lights (on red, obviously) with a red light camera and the emergency services are coming and you need to make room.. would you go over the line and risk triggering the camera and getting done?

Yep... Have done many times, normally to a position which will prevent vehicles from the side road entering the junction

[TheBoy]

I think the trash TV police shows have destroyed a lot of respect that the Police had, esp traffic.  Those idiots on those shows are a bunch of self-centred idiots.

In my own personal experiences, having been stopped a number of times, is they are mostly polite, friendly, knowledgable, decent people doing a job that is always going to get our backs up. Made worse by the society we've bred, where we are not allowed to tell our children off, discipline them, not ever allow winners and losers - so when the police tell them they are doing wrong, they get a torrent of abuse.


However, I think the police service has gone right down the toilet - the last armed robbery my brother had, the police refused to turn up until the robbers had left.

[MikeDundee]

I think the trash TV police shows have destroyed a lot of respect that the Police had, esp traffic.  Those idiots on those shows are a bunch of self-centred idiots.

In my own personal experiences, having been stopped a number of times, is they are mostly polite, friendly, knowledgable, decent people doing a job that is always going to get our backs up. Made worse by the society we've bred, where we are not allowed to tell our children off, discipline them, not ever allow winners and losers - so when the police tell them they are doing wrong, they get a torrent of abuse.


However, I think the police service has gone right down the toilet - the last armed robbery my brother had, the police refused to turn up until the robbers had left.

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They obviously done a desktop over the phone risk assessment

[LJay]

I think the trash TV police shows have destroyed a lot of respect that the Police had, esp traffic.  Those idiots on those shows are a bunch of self-centred idiots.

In my own personal experiences, having been stopped a number of times, is they are mostly polite, friendly, knowledgable, decent people doing a job that is always going to get our backs up. Made worse by the society we've bred, where we are not allowed to tell our children off, discipline them, not ever allow winners and losers - so when the police tell them they are doing wrong, they get a torrent of abuse.


However, I think the police service has gone right down the toilet - the last armed robbery my brother had, the police refused to turn up until the robbers had left.

Which is why I say I'd deal with my own mess, they've been next to useless in the few dealings I've had with them!

I'd spun my car on the motorway, was left parked the wrong way on the hard shoulder in rush hour, dialled 999 and waited.  Police car arrives, decides that as it was just on the english/welsh border he'd best wait for the other team to arrive so sits and twiddles his thumbs until the next lot arrive who then stop the traffic, turn the car round and escort me off the motorway!
They disregarded the usual advice of wait behind the crash barrier away from the car and advised me to sit in it......don't think so somehow!

I don't doubt that there are some fantastic police about, I've just never met one!

As my grandad used to say '' If you ever find a good copper, shoot him before he goes bad!''  Seems to ring true around here!

[hercules]

ive had my fair share of run ins with her majestys staff and spent the odd night in one of her hotel rooms(en suite too )and i can honestly say ive always found them to be proffesional,polite and on some occasions have even given me advice.its easy to brand them all self-abusers after meeting some bad apples but one day you might really need them and i do think that the majority of coppers are really frustrated at not being aloud to do there jobs like we expect them to because of human rights and its not worth the hours and paperwork because some lawyer will get the defendant off on some legallity issue like why arrest an immigrant when they have to let him go with a promise to attend bail but never show and pikeys in stolen cars they know if they catch and arrest them nothing will come of it.so imo its not the officers fault its the law gone mad in favour of the bad guy,give them a break theyre only doing what there told and allowed to which is not what we would like them to be doing

[tonyyeb]

Would like to ask you all about something in the OP's post that has not been commented on:-

I often have trouble assessing which direction a siren is coming from - the old 'nee nah nee nah' sirens were much easier to place for me. How many of you agree with this?
Think its an interesting point...

On the subject of coppers, in my limited dealings with them, all bar one have been all I could reasonably expect from a professional public servant.