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[Richie London]

I know exactly what you are experiencing right now Martin.
Our youngest recently defended a schoolfriend (who gets picked on a lot because of his mental health disabilities) who was being beaten by a much bigger child, but because he used his martial arts skills to defend his friend we were told that this was considered "wholly & completely unacceptable" behaviour.

The entire incident was caught on CCTV (which we were shown), and it clearly showed the bully being hit once and once only, and our son then stepping back (which is what the Sabonim teaches) and stopping at that point.
The bully then got up and went to attack our son, at which point he promptly hit the bully with the same "sucker punch" again (the bully didn't go back for 3rd's after that one).

Needless to say both myself & my other half were not impressed, and we made it quite clear to the headteacher that we fully supported the way our son dealt with the situation and saw no wrongdoing whatsoever.
All that achieved however was for us to be told that if our son does one more thing then he will be excluded permanently, and the school also reported us to social services as they considered we needed to go on a "parenting skills" course because we made it clear we would not budge on our stance.

IMO the world has gone plain f*****g mad, and if we don't do something about it shortly (eg, go back to the way it was done in our day), then I don't hold out much hope for the human race 
 

Request a copy of the CCTV footage,then go to the press and contact your local MP. these rather mentalists have all but wrecked this country, and need to be defeated.

SECONDED

I always taught my four lads to stick up for themselves, even if they came off worse. Bullies like an easy target, and schools should DO SOMETHING, but they always seem to take the easy ( for them ) option.

ive taught mine the same, but never bully anyone as it will always come back on you in the end.

[russ0205]

Had a very similar issue last year with my daughter martin so i know how you feel,
The problems with schools that we now find is that there is a protocol that they have to work to involving bullying, But if they take it to the letter the governors then find out and it looks bad on the schools report,
We only got it sorted when my wife (bless her) called one of the school governors and from then on it was sorted,
I do know what its like tho martin we had to drag my daughter to school because of bullies as nobody listened to her. If they do call you tell them you are taking it to the education board i bet there A**e starts twitching then,

 

[rbrueford]

I used to get bullied at school as i was a bit of a loner (by choice, had lots of things going on in the family)
I was always told by my parents to stand up for myself and when one of them tried to get me outside of school, i got him first and walked away. Got into a lot of trouble with the school, even though the bully had a really heavy history of bullying etc.
I think that was the start of the the 'victim is always wrong' syndrome (and that was only 25 ish years ago lol)

[Vamps]

Pulled them out yesterday as the schol is useless.

Why?

Bullying and lack of interest from the staff.

Final straw - Jack on red for defending his identical twin brother and the bully being believed over Jack.

The bully is allowed to pull peoples trousers down, wave his willie about and hit other children.

Mine are often victims and the teachers are NEVER intersted.

So we said SELF DEFENCE

Now as far as this school is concerned that it the worlds worst crime, to me it is a vital anti bullying technique (worked for me at school - they leave you alone after being hurt).

Here goes

Jasks trousers pulled down, Alex was hit, Jack hit the bully, Alex really angry and upset, Jack and bully went to headbeanstackermaster (have some info. on this*) headbeanstacker told Jack that the bullying kid may be naughty but never lies.


* A few years ago used to stack shelves at a supermarket with one of the parent governers.

BTW they start secondary school in the autumn.

IF you are absolutely certain that your kids are the ones telling the truth - fight the school all the way. It could be presented as sexual assualt (pulling down trousers) which the school refuses to deal with.
Bullying at school is a pet hate of mine.It can have a deep seated adverse affect on the bullied child for the rest of their lives.

I have known Social Services being contacted by schools for such / similar behaviour to that that Martin describes, and these are schools for children with learning disabilities......I wonder what the bully's parents would say if a Social Worker knocked on the door........

[Martin_1962]

Well I know one of the governers and he is a total nob.

Sue has written to the Headshelfstackermaster explaing the 2 day absence.

We also were unhappy with SATS my daughter got lots of 5s, the boys didn't (and they are not stupid).

Interesting that it is an image thing.

What was interesting is that we didn't get a single phone call from the school today, every time the phone went it was work (I am off recovering still).

[Steve Brookman]

Put in an official complaint with copies to Chair of Governors, Headteacher and Director of Education. There should also be a council official complaint form as well-fill this in (in our area they have to respond within 14 working days)  and also talk to your local councillor.
Get other parents to write in about the bully.

Steve

[Bionic]

One day at school the school bully battered me and I got him back with a good un and broke his nose. His gang then just looked on and eventually led him off shouting threats. Strangely nothing else did happen and I was not bullied again.  Funny how bullies do not like pain
What else can be expected from the so called 'teachers' when we as parents have consistently allowed them to adapt their methods and rules so that only they benefit. No one else counts in their cossetted world as was proven by the ridiculous strike they held for a better pension that we must pay for. It is high time they joined the real world!
Maybe someday someone rich enough will decide enough is enough and take the whole teaching profession (profession? That's a laugh cos they don't act like professionals) to court for depriving our children of an education (just like when we take them on holidays at times we can afford to) by their refusal to educate them because of a strike that ought not to have happened due to the issue still being debated and sorted by the unions and government.
If they want to talk about bullies then maybe a good hard look in their mirrors, both teachers and unions, would show who the real bullies are.
Teachers... No time at all for them and judging from the letters I have had from some of them they do not seem able to construct a letter without it being riddled with spelling and grammar errors.
Let the battle commence............

[LJay]

I used to get bullied at school as i was a bit of a loner (by choice, had lots of things going on in the family)
I was always told by my parents to stand up for myself and when one of them tried to get me outside of school, i got him first and walked away. Got into a lot of trouble with the school, even though the bully had a really heavy history of bullying etc.
I think that was the start of the the 'victim is always wrong' syndrome (and that was only 25 ish years ago lol)

I got bullied too, mainly because I had no mum and had been through foster care and eventually to live with my grandparents.  Like that wasn't hard enough without being bullied about it.
Repeated visits to school and meetings with parents got me no where.  As a child I was ridiculously shy and people around me where stunned when I finally saw red, walked up behind the girl, spun her round and punched her, breaking her nose.
It cost me a trip to the police station and a caution for ABH but it was worth it as the hassle stopped.

I was always brought up that if someone hits you, then hit them back twice as hard.

I see it in my son's school, where I also work, the teaching staff seem to be ruled by the bullys.  My son has been punched in the face and no one deemed it important enough to tell me, I had to go in on the bounce to get the information.

If I'd gotten into trouble at school I dreaded my dad finding out as I'd get a rollicking at home too, now it seems that the parents tell the teachers off instead.  A sad state of affairs.

We're not even supposed to prompt children's manners as it's their choice if they use them or not.  What happened to manners cost nowt but get you far?

[Vamps]

I used to get bullied at school as i was a bit of a loner (by choice, had lots of things going on in the family)
I was always told by my parents to stand up for myself and when one of them tried to get me outside of school, i got him first and walked away. Got into a lot of trouble with the school, even though the bully had a really heavy history of bullying etc.
I think that was the start of the the 'victim is always wrong' syndrome (and that was only 25 ish years ago lol)

I got bullied too, mainly because I had no mum and had been through foster care and eventually to live with my grandparents.  Like that wasn't hard enough without being bullied about it.
Repeated visits to school and meetings with parents got me no where.  As a child I was ridiculously shy and people around me where stunned when I finally saw red, walked up behind the girl, spun her round and punched her, breaking her nose.
It cost me a trip to the police station and a caution for ABH but it was worth it as the hassle stopped.

I was always brought up that if someone hits you, then hit them back twice as hard.

I see it in my son's school, where I also work, the teaching staff seem to be ruled by the bullys.  My son has been punched in the face and no one deemed it important enough to tell me, I had to go in on the bounce to get the information.

If I'd gotten into trouble at school I dreaded my dad finding out as I'd get a rollicking at home too, now it seems that the parents tell the teachers off instead.  A sad state of affairs.

We're not even supposed to prompt children's manners as it's their choice if they use them or not.  What happened to manners cost nowt but get you far?

Perhaps by the bully's parents, I see lots of examples of he who shouts loudest gets what they want or the teachers avoid contacting them to complain about their child, also seen a recent example of this in college, where they wanted someone else to contact the parent...

[Martin_1962]

Interesting.

A friend of the boys was spotted today with his arm in a sling - he said he was tripped up by another bully.

As they were all leaving today the bully concerned got shaken hands and chat from headshelfstackermaster, sling boy was ignored.

Yes it is true bullies have more rights

[STMO123]

Interesting.

A friend of the boys was spotted today with his arm in a sling - he said he was tripped up by another bully.

As they were all leaving today the bully concerned got shaken hands and chat from headshelfstackermaster, sling boy was ignored.

Yes it is true bullies have more rights

He's not the head's son, is he? Brought in to keep all the troublemakers in line. :-/

[LJay]

I used to get bullied at school as i was a bit of a loner (by choice, had lots of things going on in the family)
I was always told by my parents to stand up for myself and when one of them tried to get me outside of school, i got him first and walked away. Got into a lot of trouble with the school, even though the bully had a really heavy history of bullying etc.
I think that was the start of the the 'victim is always wrong' syndrome (and that was only 25 ish years ago lol)

I got bullied too, mainly because I had no mum and had been through foster care and eventually to live with my grandparents.  Like that wasn't hard enough without being bullied about it.
Repeated visits to school and meetings with parents got me no where.  As a child I was ridiculously shy and people around me where stunned when I finally saw red, walked up behind the girl, spun her round and punched her, breaking her nose.
It cost me a trip to the police station and a caution for ABH but it was worth it as the hassle stopped.

I was always brought up that if someone hits you, then hit them back twice as hard.

I see it in my son's school, where I also work, the teaching staff seem to be ruled by the bullys.  My son has been punched in the face and no one deemed it important enough to tell me, I had to go in on the bounce to get the information.

If I'd gotten into trouble at school I dreaded my dad finding out as I'd get a rollicking at home too, now it seems that the parents tell the teachers off instead.  A sad state of affairs.

We're not even supposed to prompt children's manners as it's their choice if they use them or not.  What happened to manners cost nowt but get you far?

Perhaps by the bully's parents, I see lots of examples of he who shouts loudest gets what they want or the teachers avoid contacting them to complain about their child, also seen a recent example of this in college, where they wanted someone else to contact the parent...

I've been given a dressing down in the playground for stuff my boys have done but the real naughty families get the privacy of the school office for their discussion. Usually for petty things too. Staff know that decent families won't kick off but that the scum will.

I have concerns for our youngest who starts in sept as one of the kids going with him (age 4) has battered me black and blue, yet there's nothing we can do.  Not a nice family at all.

Trouble I've found, professionally, is that if we involve Social Services they expect us to tell the family that we have done so, which leaves us at risk when we've been intimidated by them previously.  We'd be inclined to do it anonymously in future and save ourselves the grief.

The world's gone mad!

[Vamps]

I used to get bullied at school as i was a bit of a loner (by choice, had lots of things going on in the family)
I was always told by my parents to stand up for myself and when one of them tried to get me outside of school, i got him first and walked away. Got into a lot of trouble with the school, even though the bully had a really heavy history of bullying etc.
I think that was the start of the the 'victim is always wrong' syndrome (and that was only 25 ish years ago lol)

I got bullied too, mainly because I had no mum and had been through foster care and eventually to live with my grandparents.  Like that wasn't hard enough without being bullied about it.
Repeated visits to school and meetings with parents got me no where.  As a child I was ridiculously shy and people around me where stunned when I finally saw red, walked up behind the girl, spun her round and punched her, breaking her nose.
It cost me a trip to the police station and a caution for ABH but it was worth it as the hassle stopped.

I was always brought up that if someone hits you, then hit them back twice as hard.

I see it in my son's school, where I also work, the teaching staff seem to be ruled by the bullys.  My son has been punched in the face and no one deemed it important enough to tell me, I had to go in on the bounce to get the information.

If I'd gotten into trouble at school I dreaded my dad finding out as I'd get a rollicking at home too, now it seems that the parents tell the teachers off instead.  A sad state of affairs.

We're not even supposed to prompt children's manners as it's their choice if they use them or not.  What happened to manners cost nowt but get you far?

Perhaps by the bully's parents, I see lots of examples of he who shouts loudest gets what they want or the teachers avoid contacting them to complain about their child, also seen a recent example of this in college, where they wanted someone else to contact the parent...

I've been given a dressing down in the playground for stuff my boys have done but the real naughty families get the privacy of the school office for their discussion. Usually for petty things too. Staff know that decent families won't kick off but that the scum will.

I have concerns for our youngest who starts in sept as one of the kids going with him (age 4) has battered me black and blue, yet there's nothing we can do.  Not a nice family at all.

Trouble I've found, professionally, is that if we involve Social Services they expect us to tell the family that we have done so, which leaves us at risk when we've been intimidated by them previously.  We'd be inclined to do it anonymously in future and save ourselves the grief.
The world's gone mad!

If that was from the school then no, that is not acceptable, if you personally then that is fine, if either of you want true autonomy go via the NSPCC...not a route liked by Social Services but hey ho.....

[Martin_1962]

Interesting.

A friend of the boys was spotted today with his arm in a sling - he said he was tripped up by another bully.

As they were all leaving today the bully concerned got shaken hands and chat from headshelfstackermaster, sling boy was ignored.

Yes it is true bullies have more rights

He's not the head's son, is he? Brought in to keep all the troublemakers in line. :-/

No just a bully

[bertie1.8vectra]

i too was bullied at school it got so bad i had to move schools and even then the bully tried to get at me there...he even stabbed somebody else because he thought it was me,anyways he got sent to a borstal for that and i did not see him about for at least 10 years until i went to my brothers local pub and there he was working behind the bar serving food... it turned out he had a mental breakdown whilst in borstal and had become a sad and lonely shell of a person he looked absoultley pathetic and weak... i then realised i should not be afraid of people like him and have always stood up for my self since and its something i`ve tried to instill into my stepson..don`t go looking for trouble but if it comes your way stand and fight your ground....