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Re: Dishwasher faults
« Reply #60 on: 10 December 2011, 19:43:13 »

Google shows several mentions of that model blowing trips on consumer unit.
Mostly related to faulty heater. :-\
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Re: Dishwasher faults
« Reply #61 on: 10 December 2011, 19:45:39 »

At least with old fuses you could replace with a rusty nail and then follow the smoke. ;D ;D
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« Reply #62 on: 10 December 2011, 19:47:03 »

Thing is if you have got it tripping as soon as switched on, something is leaky. My daughter's washing M/C was doing the same thing, I verified this with a PAT tester, and then started unplugging sections until it stopped tripping. It turned out to be the drier element had gone leaky, although it didn't show up as faulty on a DVM, it needed a higher voltage to break down. Spares are available for most consumer goods at a reasonable price.

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Re: Dishwasher faults
« Reply #63 on: 10 December 2011, 19:56:34 »

Element would be my first port of call. If it's got bad enough, leakage between neutral and earth will trip it, then it doesn't need to have actually started heating. A check with a megger would soon reveal the culprit. :y
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« Reply #64 on: 10 December 2011, 20:00:04 »

At least with old fuses you could replace with a rusty nail and then follow the smoke. ;D ;D

Slightly off topic.....

I didnt have to earlier......i was drilling a hole thro a tile with a wood drill......and leaning on the cordless drill probably a bit too much......i could smell burning and just thought the tile was getting a bit hot.....seconds later smoke came pouring out of the drill....ooopppppssssss..

However since its cooled down it still works......altho it has a slight pong to it  ;D
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Re: Dishwasher faults
« Reply #65 on: 10 December 2011, 20:03:00 »

At least with old fuses you could replace with a rusty nail and then follow the smoke. ;D ;D

Slightly off topic.....

I didnt have to earlier......i was drilling a hole thro a tile with a wood drill......and leaning on the cordless drill probably a bit too much......i could smell burning and just thought the tile was getting a bit hot.....seconds later smoke came pouring out of the drill....ooopppppssssss..

However since its cooled down it still works......altho it has a slight pong to it  ;D
Nemind Dave, give HD some sausages it will make her feel better.
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Re: Dishwasher faults
« Reply #66 on: 10 December 2011, 20:04:43 »

At least with old fuses you could replace with a rusty nail and then follow the smoke. ;D ;D

Slightly off topic.....

I didnt have to earlier......i was drilling a hole thro a tile with a wood drill......and leaning on the cordless drill probably a bit too much......i could smell burning and just thought the tile was getting a bit hot.....seconds later smoke came pouring out of the drill....ooopppppssssss..

However since its cooled down it still works......altho it has a slight pong to it  ;D

sure TB will find that very helpfull ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Dishwasher faults
« Reply #67 on: 10 December 2011, 20:21:48 »

Just unplug the major components one at a time and use the trip to test.....start with the heater.

These home appliances are not that complicated in reality and if you could get your head around the full power supply and HT circuit of a CRT setup then its a doddle in comparison.
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« Reply #68 on: 10 December 2011, 22:19:19 »

Some machines have the element underneath as a heater in rigid-pipe arrangement, others as simple 'kettle' elements laying in the 'bath' of water under the bottom basket.....on the three machines that I`ve had 'go': elements have always been the cause of popping the RCC-breakers........although a leaky rubber element grommet was implicated in one spectacular nocturnal display: "crackin`arcing Gromit!" ;D
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« Reply #69 on: 10 December 2011, 23:09:48 »

H says "...buy a new one! Tight arse, trying to save on heating again"

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Re: Dishwasher faults
« Reply #70 on: 11 December 2011, 00:17:08 »

If it's the heater element I have one that I think is the right one. Mind you, I have a whole Hotpoint D/W outside the back door too ::)
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Re: Dishwasher faults
« Reply #71 on: 11 December 2011, 02:45:05 »

Disconnect the element, thus reducing leccy bills, and leave a tea towel next to the machine. Job done. :y
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Re: Dishwasher faults
« Reply #72 on: 11 December 2011, 10:05:27 »

Do you have a 13A plug on the cooker circuit? If so, these are often not RCD protected on an installation of the vintage that your is... Might make diagnosis easier when it's not taking out the whole house.

A 500V megger would be a handy diagnostic tool. Don't suppose you have one?
Here, the 13A on the cooker switch, as well as the cooker itself, is protected by the same RCD.
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Re: Dishwasher faults
« Reply #73 on: 11 December 2011, 10:12:39 »

Element would be my first port of call. If it's got bad enough, leakage between neutral and earth will trip it, then it doesn't need to have actually started heating. A check with a megger would soon reveal the culprit. :y
Certainly wasn't the element in the summer, as it was still banging out with that disconnected.  In fact, by unplugging, I couldn't work out what it was. Ran out of time, went on hols, it had fixed itself by time I got home. 

Just got a meter (digital :() on it from the mains plug.

L-N - open
N-L - open
L-E - open
E-L - open
N-E - open
E-N - strange readings, sometimes a bit like a capacitor, sometimes just rubbish, eg  -14kohms, I suspect an oddity of DVMs

The rectified natural of N-E resistance would be in line with dampness.
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Re: Dishwasher faults
« Reply #74 on: 11 December 2011, 10:17:37 »

H says "...buy a new one! Tight arse, trying to save on heating again"

;D
Not sure I can deal with retarded sales people and retarded call centres.  If I could just drive to Banbury and buy one, thats fine. But I failed miserably in the summer. Most conversations with the inbreds went along the lines of:

Me: I want to take it away today, which of these do you have in stock
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Me: OK, I'll take this one
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Inbred: And when would you like it delivered
Me: No, I want to take it now
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