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[Ian_D]

re tank size, 60litre currently fitted, and have seen 54 litres on the pump when filling from empty. If they make a 65 i think that may just fit, its the width thats tight. As said there is enough room above but....
 
When fitting the tank you have to lay it face down on the boot floor, then slide left and let it tip side ways into the spare wheel well. Its this action that is the deciding factor with the size if iirc. There maybe room when in place. But its "getting it in place" that governs the size if that makes sense. Too wide and too high and there may not be room to get it to clear the boot opening before it drops in. I bet thats clear as mud

No mate, that makes perfect sense. Bit like getting the spare wheel in/out with the daft bose amp shelf in the way almost! 

Still don’t know what to do... Spare wheel tank, or normal in boot tank.

If I get a spare wheel tank, where do I stick the spare wheel? Dont like the idea of it rolling about inside the boot. And I wouldn't like to travel without a spare JUST incase!

However I am now thinking that LPG is the only way.

Parents keep saying 'Get a smaller car' 
But I’m not getting rid of the Omega! 

[Entwood]

Only you can decide how much/often you actually use the full capacity of the boot. It might be worth taking everything out and "only" putting in what you NEED for each day for a week or so .. just to see. When I had the full size tank fitted I was a tad concerned .... but now I realise I was actualy very lazy and just left a load of crap in the boot from day-to-day. I now "manage" the boot far better, and don't leave rubbish in all the time.

The only times I really notice the difference are ..

1) Trip to the dump ... now have to use the trailer, but how many times do I go there ... once every couple of months ??

2) Trip to CostCo shopping .. its a fair distance and only worth doing for a "big" shop, so we end up with a fair bit of stuff on the back seat.

3) Main holiday to France...no room for caravan awning and loads of other kit, okies .. it could go inside the 'van but ...  As we take bikes on a roof rack .. I've bought a 1/2 width roof box which is bloody huge !!! and last year found a major unexpected advantage... had to pack up in the wet .. so before the boot would have got soaked from the wet awning, or the inside of the van ... but the roof box just didn't care .. and it drained as we drove !!

So what am I saying in a long winded way ?? .. There are ways around the loss of space, and even 1/2 a miggy boot is way bigger than some other full size boots ... I have no regrets at all on having the LPG with an 80 litre tank   ..

[Ian_D]

Only you can decide how much/often you actually use the full capacity of the boot. It might be worth taking everything out and "only" putting in what you NEED for each day for a week or so .. just to see. When I had the full size tank fitted I was a tad concerned .... but now I realise I was actualy very lazy and just left a load of crap in the boot from day-to-day. I now "manage" the boot far better, and don't leave rubbish in all the time.

The only times I really notice the difference are ..

1) Trip to the dump ... now have to use the trailer, but how many times do I go there ... once every couple of months ??

2) Trip to CostCo shopping .. its a fair distance and only worth doing for a "big" shop, so we end up with a fair bit of stuff on the back seat.

3) Main holiday to France...no room for caravan awning and loads of other kit, okies .. it could go inside the 'van but ...  As we take bikes on a roof rack .. I've bought a 1/2 width roof box which is bloody huge !!! and last year found a major unexpected advantage... had to pack up in the wet .. so before the boot would have got soaked from the wet awning, or the inside of the van ... but the roof box just didn't care .. and it drained as we drove !!

So what am I saying in a long winded way ?? .. There are ways around the loss of space, and even 1/2 a miggy boot is way bigger than some other full size boots ... I have no regrets at all on having the LPG with an 80 litre tank   ..

Well, I can honestly say that I could easily have managed if the boot was glued shut for the past month!

I guess it would stop me collecting crap! 

I’m kinda thinking that if I’m going to do it, a should just get on with it and have done! I use the Mig to drive straight across town centre and back everyday in rush hour, and don’t think a spare wheel tank would last very long. Also there’s only one LPG station I can think of in York (at Asda), and its not really on route. (not a million miles away like either!).

I’m already happy with holidays, I have ample space in the caravan for everything. And will probably only be 3 people in the car at the most anyway, so theres always back seats.

I have a small diy trailer too, so if I’m stuck that’s always an option.

And I’ve also remembered that I bought some roof bars about a year ago which I haven’t used yet – so I can always sling stuff ‘upstairs’

Hmmm.... LPG does make more sence the more I think about it 

[cruisetopoland]

Only you can decide how much/often you actually use the full capacity of the boot. It might be worth taking everything out and "only" putting in what you NEED for each day for a week or so .. just to see. When I had the full size tank fitted I was a tad concerned .... but now I realise I was actualy very lazy and just left a load of crap in the boot from day-to-day. I now "manage" the boot far better, and don't leave rubbish in all the time.

The only times I really notice the difference are ..

1) Trip to the dump ... now have to use the trailer, but how many times do I go there ... once every couple of months ??

2) Trip to CostCo shopping .. its a fair distance and only worth doing for a "big" shop, so we end up with a fair bit of stuff on the back seat.

3) Main holiday to France...no room for caravan awning and loads of other kit, okies .. it could go inside the 'van but ...  As we take bikes on a roof rack .. I've bought a 1/2 width roof box which is bloody huge !!! and last year found a major unexpected advantage... had to pack up in the wet .. so before the boot would have got soaked from the wet awning, or the inside of the van ... but the roof box just didn't care .. and it drained as we drove !!

So what am I saying in a long winded way ?? .. There are ways around the loss of space, and even 1/2 a miggy boot is way bigger than some other full size boots ... I have no regrets at all on having the LPG with an 80 litre tank   ..

Well, I can honestly say that I could easily have managed if the boot was glued shut for the past month!

I guess it would stop me collecting crap! 

I’m kinda thinking that if I’m going to do it, a should just get on with it and have done! I use the Mig to drive straight across town centre and back everyday in rush hour, and don’t think a spare wheel tank would last very long. Also there’s only one LPG station I can think of in York (at Asda), and its not really on route. (not a million miles away like either!).

I’m already happy with holidays, I have ample space in the caravan for everything. And will probably only be 3 people in the car at the most anyway, so theres always back seats.

I have a small diy trailer too, so if I’m stuck that’s always an option.

And I’ve also remembered that I bought some roof bars about a year ago which I haven’t used yet – so I can always sling stuff ‘upstairs’

Hmmm.... LPG does make more sence the more I think about it 

I'm coming round to it, too-but really do need the boot space and spare wheel....
I suppose I could lose the spare and stick a foam can in the first aid kit compartment and use the breakdwon cover if needed.

Hmmm....  :-/

[Ian_D]

Only you can decide how much/often you actually use the full capacity of the boot. It might be worth taking everything out and "only" putting in what you NEED for each day for a week or so .. just to see. When I had the full size tank fitted I was a tad concerned .... but now I realise I was actualy very lazy and just left a load of crap in the boot from day-to-day. I now "manage" the boot far better, and don't leave rubbish in all the time.

The only times I really notice the difference are ..

1) Trip to the dump ... now have to use the trailer, but how many times do I go there ... once every couple of months ??

2) Trip to CostCo shopping .. its a fair distance and only worth doing for a "big" shop, so we end up with a fair bit of stuff on the back seat.

3) Main holiday to France...no room for caravan awning and loads of other kit, okies .. it could go inside the 'van but ...  As we take bikes on a roof rack .. I've bought a 1/2 width roof box which is bloody huge !!! and last year found a major unexpected advantage... had to pack up in the wet .. so before the boot would have got soaked from the wet awning, or the inside of the van ... but the roof box just didn't care .. and it drained as we drove !!

So what am I saying in a long winded way ?? .. There are ways around the loss of space, and even 1/2 a miggy boot is way bigger than some other full size boots ... I have no regrets at all on having the LPG with an 80 litre tank   ..

Well, I can honestly say that I could easily have managed if the boot was glued shut for the past month!

I guess it would stop me collecting crap! 

I’m kinda thinking that if I’m going to do it, a should just get on with it and have done! I use the Mig to drive straight across town centre and back everyday in rush hour, and don’t think a spare wheel tank would last very long. Also there’s only one LPG station I can think of in York (at Asda), and its not really on route. (not a million miles away like either!).

I’m already happy with holidays, I have ample space in the caravan for everything. And will probably only be 3 people in the car at the most anyway, so theres always back seats.

I have a small diy trailer too, so if I’m stuck that’s always an option.

And I’ve also remembered that I bought some roof bars about a year ago which I haven’t used yet – so I can always sling stuff ‘upstairs’

Hmmm.... LPG does make more sence the more I think about it 

I'm coming round to it, too-but really do need the boot space and spare wheel....
I suppose I could lose the spare and stick a foam can in the first aid kit compartment and use the breakdwon cover if needed.

Hmmm....  :-/

Only other option I thought about was finding a space saver wheel. Could make a small holder for it in the boot then, and if the boot space was needed, I could shove the spare in the passenger footwell.  :-/

[feeutfo]

Only you can decide how much/often you actually use the full capacity of the boot. It might be worth taking everything out and "only" putting in what you NEED for each day for a week or so .. just to see. When I had the full size tank fitted I was a tad concerned .... but now I realise I was actualy very lazy and just left a load of crap in the boot from day-to-day. I now "manage" the boot far better, and don't leave rubbish in all the time.

The only times I really notice the difference are ..

1) Trip to the dump ... now have to use the trailer, but how many times do I go there ... once every couple of months ??

2) Trip to CostCo shopping .. its a fair distance and only worth doing for a "big" shop, so we end up with a fair bit of stuff on the back seat.

3) Main holiday to France...no room for caravan awning and loads of other kit, okies .. it could go inside the 'van but ...  As we take bikes on a roof rack .. I've bought a 1/2 width roof box which is bloody huge !!! and last year found a major unexpected advantage... had to pack up in the wet .. so before the boot would have got soaked from the wet awning, or the inside of the van ... but the roof box just didn't care .. and it drained as we drove !!

So what am I saying in a long winded way ?? .. There are ways around the loss of space, and even 1/2 a miggy boot is way bigger than some other full size boots ... I have no regrets at all on having the LPG with an 80 litre tank   ..

Well, I can honestly say that I could easily have managed if the boot was glued shut for the past month!

I guess it would stop me collecting crap! 

I’m kinda thinking that if I’m going to do it, a should just get on with it and have done! I use the Mig to drive straight across town centre and back everyday in rush hour, and don’t think a spare wheel tank would last very long. Also there’s only one LPG station I can think of in York (at Asda), and its not really on route. (not a million miles away like either!).

I’m already happy with holidays, I have ample space in the caravan for everything. And will probably only be 3 people in the car at the most anyway, so theres always back seats.

I have a small diy trailer too, so if I’m stuck that’s always an option.

And I’ve also remembered that I bought some roof bars about a year ago which I haven’t used yet – so I can always sling stuff ‘upstairs’

Hmmm.... LPG does make more sence the more I think about it 

I'm coming round to it, too-but really do need the boot space and spare wheel....
I suppose I could lose the spare and stick a foam can in the first aid kit compartment and use the breakdwon cover if needed.

Hmmm....  :-/

space aside, i think biggest is best when it comes to economy, the bigger your tank the least likely you are to run out before finding another station, esp on holiday or in unfamiliar territory, or just getting to your usual.
 
About once a month have to stick £20 of petrol in, partly due to the start up on petrol thing which is unavoidable obviously, but also because i run out of lpg now and then and have to do part of a work journey on petrol, maybe others with bigger tanks do the same when knowing they/we have petrol to fall back on, maybe not, but i am sure i would use less petrol if i had a bigger lpg tank....therefore bigger is cheaper.... to my thinking anyway.

But in my case, re space, donut it is and thats that.....but would always encourage the biggest tank possible 

re spare wheel, its in the garage! Boots empty, ment to get a can of tyre weld, didnt get round to it....

Fitted new tyres a month or so ago, you guessed it, nail in the tyre by the time i got home. Left it to the morning and drove back to the tyre place and they fixed it. Tyre lost 3 psi in about 14 hours.

Now i dont want to tempt fate again, but when did you last see a puncture? in my experience with a nail or screw,it dont go down straight away.  I check my pressures regular, and do tend to notice if one is low when driving. I once had a screw in a bike tyre for over a week, no money to repair it. Just kept pumping it up. 
But your right of course, always best to have the spare obviously.


I did have the spare in the boot for a while, never noticed it was there. Being rubber it doesn't slide about. Suppose i should put it back in....  

[Ian_D]

How long do the V6's need to run first thing in the morning before they are warm enough to switch onto LPG?

[feeutfo]

How long do the V6's need to run first thing in the morning before they are warm enough to switch onto LPG?

depends on the weather, its 15 seconds or above 20 degrees the way its set at the moment( think thats right  :-/ ), so in warm weather 15 seconds, in cold weather it will wait until engine temp. is above 20c or it will run grumpy. That can take some time on mine in freezing temp. but i think Kevin may have changed the settings since then. will find out soon with winter coming.....

[Ian_D]

Engine temp as low as 20 degrees? Thought it would have beem much warmer. Was thinking 80ish 

Thats better than I thought then! 

[feeutfo]

Engine temp as low as 20 degrees? Thought it would have beem much warmer. Was thinking 80ish 

Thats better than I thought then! 

Coolent temp. Think thats what it says in the settings? May be wrong though. I'm sure Kevin will put me right.....

[Ian_D]

Engine temp as low as 20 degrees? Thought it would have beem much warmer. Was thinking 80ish 

Thats better than I thought then! 

Coolent temp. Not air temp. Think thats what it says in the settings? May be wrong though. I'm sure Kevin will put me right.....

Eh? I was meaning engine temp (water to be exact).

Would that mean that in the middle of summer you could almost start it on gas straight away? 

[feeutfo]

Engine temp as low as 20 degrees? Thought it would have beem much warmer. Was thinking 80ish 

Thats better than I thought then! 

Coolent temp. Not air temp. Think thats what it says in the settings? May be wrong though. I'm sure Kevin will put me right.....

Eh? I was meaning engine temp (water to be exact).

Would that mean that in the middle of summer you could almost start it on gas straight away? 

Aw thought i'd got away with that. Sorry, obviously not air temp. Almost straight away i guess, but i haven't played with it to that extent though, means plugging the lap top to fiddle with the settings....

KEVIN, HELP he's asking technical questions again!

[Ian_D]

Engine temp as low as 20 degrees? Thought it would have beem much warmer. Was thinking 80ish 

Thats better than I thought then! 

Coolent temp. Not air temp. Think thats what it says in the settings? May be wrong though. I'm sure Kevin will put me right.....

Eh? I was meaning engine temp (water to be exact).

Would that mean that in the middle of summer you could almost start it on gas straight away? 

Aw thought i'd got away with that. Sorry, obviously not air temp. Almost straight away i guess, but i haven't played with it to that extent though, means plugging the lap top to fiddle with the settings....

KEVIN, HELP he's asking technical questions again!

I haven’t even started yet.. 

Only Omega I’ve seen running on LPG was a one about 18 months ago. And it was running a good few minuets on petrol before it clicked onto gas - Wasn't a cold day either as far as I remember.

I was worried thinking that if the above was normal, mine would only be running on gas half of the time!

[goonv6]

Sorry to hijack this thread but I was looking at doing this too a while back. I am pretty good with spanners but how difficult is it to do? The kit I'm looking at comes with engine mapping software. Is this best left to the professionals? Its also a sequential kit, isthis the better option?

[feeutfo]

Sorry to hijack this thread but I was looking at doing this too a while back. I am pretty good with spanners but how difficult is it to do? The kit I'm looking at comes with engine mapping software. Is this best left to the professionals? Its also a sequential kit, isthis the better option?

Its all about research imho, knowing what to do before you do it. Where stuff goes and how to go about it in advance. In short getting it right first time job done. You can waist an awfull lot of time trying and seeing, altering and buggering about.

Its not difficult, tapping the inlet manifold, and wiring into the loom by the ecu plug are the hardest jobs imho. But those that have done wiring and soldering before find it easy enough. Depends on your experience. It can be a daunting task, but with the help on here, almost anything is possible. :-)

Edit to add
Sequential(one injector per cylinder firing in sequence) is the only option if you want it to work.

Mixer type systems are not suitable for these engines due to the risk of back fires and exploding plenums and air intaker apparently. Bugger that.