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[TheBoy]

I personally don't think that the Omega will become a 'classic' in the yes of most people.

By the time its old enough, I doubt it will have many fans - it didn't have too many followers when it was in production .  It can fall into insignificance, along with the other 'has-beens' execs of the era, such as the Rover 800 and the Ford Scorpio (the latter has a better chance of making classic, as it still has a following of ex owners with rose tinted specs).


I don't think numbers come into it - the 2CV was a classic in many peoples eyes, even when still in production. Same with the proper Mini.

[Marks DTM Calib]

No, too many made

So where exactly does quantity come into the equation?

When does quantity not come into a classic equation?

Car needs to be rare / not common for it to be considered a classic, or its not a classic is it?

Too many Omegas are around, they are a bland, forgettable saloon saloon to most.

Never does or has.

As a rule of thumb its a car that is 25+ years old.

An antique car is 45+ years.

So no, totaly wrong, numbers have bugger all to do with it 

Disagree, numbers have everything to do with it.

They only reason they become classics at 25 years, is because they are rare. Been destroyed over the years from rust, accidents and replacement models.

If every single Jag E Type was still on the road that were built, would they be considered classics?

Put it this way... Great Western's HST Fleet is 25 years old, are they considered Classic? No, they are common as muck on that line. steam train from the same era though, which no longer runs main line commuter services, is considered 'classic'

Tunnie, do your F-ing research for once.....classic status has NOTHING to do with numbers.

Your opinion plays no part in it, in this case, consider it something you have now learned

[tunnie]

All I am saying is that the 25+ year rule is something thats going to change, cars now, are built better, aluminium bodys, galvanised steel means cars now will last better, in 25 years more of them will be around. So there will have to be something special about them, to make them a classic, and sadly, there is nothing special about the Omega.

Classics have to be low in numbers!

[Martin_1962]

The remainders will be classics due to

1) Scrapping due to engine knicking to put into turdmobiles

2) Last of V cars

3) Simply not that many left - will be classics in same way Rover SD1 V8s are

If there was a Lotus Carlton version, or they made the V8 version yes. But can't see it happening, too many V6 cars still being made to be considered 'last of the Vs'

Something that would become a classic, Monaro/VXR8

Them and Moranos are last of the V cars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_V_platform_%28RWD%29

[pjd7325]

I think a classic is a matter or personal taste to be honest. Like the example of the HST's still in service on the network. Many people I know think these are classics as they are the last proper train still in service rather than these awful voyagers etc.

Take for example the rover sd1 I love them but my grandfather who worked for rover in that era thinks they are awful cars.

Numbers etc have nothing to do with it. I had a a 1992 BMW 750 before I got my second omega a few days ago and many people think they are a classic and others think its an old banger.

The main thing is that we all love our cars otherwise we wouldn't be here. I think the rarer versions of the omega will be classics like the rare 8v select etc

[Martin_1962]

All I am saying is that the 25+ year rule is something thats going to change, cars now, are built better, aluminium bodys, galvanised steel means cars now will last better, in 25 years more of them will be around. So there will have to be something special about them, to make them a classic, and sadly, there is nothing special about the Omega.

Classics have to be low in numbers!

People are breaking Omegas to put the engines in to shopping trollies

[TheBoy]

Classics have to be low in numbers!

Not necessarily. It has to be something special/unique.

My ZX10, for example, is considered by most in the biking world to be a classic - it was something special in its day, and many enthusiasts had one, or dreamed of having one.  There are still loads about.

The proper Mini. Nobody would argue that its a classic. Millions of them still about. But it is a unique icon.

[tunnie]

The remainders will be classics due to

1) Scrapping due to engine knicking to put into turdmobiles

2) Last of V cars

3) Simply not that many left - will be classics in same way Rover SD1 V8s are

If there was a Lotus Carlton version, or they made the V8 version yes. But can't see it happening, too many V6 cars still being made to be considered 'last of the Vs'

Something that would become a classic, Monaro/VXR8

Them and Moranos are last of the V cars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_V_platform_%28RWD%29

VXR8 is sure to be a classic not only is it the Lotus Carlon of the decade, they are very few in number

[TheBoy]

The remainders will be classics due to

1) Scrapping due to engine knicking to put into turdmobiles

2) Last of V cars

3) Simply not that many left - will be classics in same way Rover SD1 V8s are

If there was a Lotus Carlton version, or they made the V8 version yes. But can't see it happening, too many V6 cars still being made to be considered 'last of the Vs'

Something that would become a classic, Monaro/VXR8

Them and Moranos are last of the V cars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_V_platform_%28RWD%29

VXR8 is sure to be a classic not only is it the Lotus Carlon of the decade, they are very few in number

Why do you say the VXR8 will be a classic?  I don't think it will be  :-/

[tunnie]

The remainders will be classics due to

1) Scrapping due to engine knicking to put into turdmobiles

2) Last of V cars

3) Simply not that many left - will be classics in same way Rover SD1 V8s are

If there was a Lotus Carlton version, or they made the V8 version yes. But can't see it happening, too many V6 cars still being made to be considered 'last of the Vs'

Something that would become a classic, Monaro/VXR8

Them and Moranos are last of the V cars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_V_platform_%28RWD%29

VXR8 is sure to be a classic not only is it the Lotus Carlon of the decade, they are very few in number

Why do you say the VXR8 will be a classic?  I don't think it will be  :-/

Something special about it, unlike the Omega its a M5 for Vauxhall Money,

[TheBoy]

The remainders will be classics due to

1) Scrapping due to engine knicking to put into turdmobiles

2) Last of V cars

3) Simply not that many left - will be classics in same way Rover SD1 V8s are

If there was a Lotus Carlton version, or they made the V8 version yes. But can't see it happening, too many V6 cars still being made to be considered 'last of the Vs'

Something that would become a classic, Monaro/VXR8

Them and Moranos are last of the V cars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_V_platform_%28RWD%29

VXR8 is sure to be a classic not only is it the Lotus Carlon of the decade, they are very few in number

Why do you say the VXR8 will be a classic?  I don't think it will be  :-/

Something special about it, unlike the Omega its a M5 for Vauxhall Money,

I don't think there is anything truely special about it - it hasn't got anything truely unique - its just another basic V8 saloon.

I would love one, as would a lot of people, but that doesn't make it a classic. Its simply not anything special in its era.

[Marks DTM Calib]

All I am saying is that the 25+ year rule is something thats going to change, cars now, are built better, aluminium bodys, galvanised steel means cars now will last better, in 25 years more of them will be around. So there will have to be something special about them, to make them a classic, and sadly, there is nothing special about the Omega.

Classics have to be low in numbers!

I suspect that there will be much fewer of the modern cars about.

The complexity and large number of controllers, displays etc on them means that they are going to be mega hard to keep running long term, modern body materials will be the least of the worries (although steel is still the chassis material of choice so that will continue to be a place for concern)

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I think a classic is a matter or personal taste to be honest. Like the example of the HST's still in service on the network. Many people I know think these are classics as they are the last proper train still in service rather than these awful voyagers etc. A lot of ex br steam men can't stand the black 5's as they were as common as muck in there era.

Take for example the rover sd1 I love them but my grandfather who worked for rover in that era thinks they are awful cars.

Numbers etc have nothing to do with it. I had a a 1992 BMW 750 before I got my second omega a few days ago and many people think they are a classic and others think its an old banger.

The main thing is that we all love our cars otherwise we wouldn't be here. I think the rarer versions of the omega will be classics like the rare 8v select etc

Sorry but I must point out some facts on that statement.

I don't know where you have got that information from, but it is widely recognised in steam circles that Stanier's Black Five's were a highly praised engine.  Among numerous statements made over the years by ex-LMS / BRM footplate crew, two of which I met, the likes of Eric Tracy, there is specifically ex-Midland Driver J.R.Carter, who states in his book Working Steam (1976) that Black 5's were "the firm favourite of locomen".  In addition Brain Haresnape, in his book Stanier Locomotives (1970) states they were "one of the most successful and popular classes of locomotive ever constructed", which echoes not only the feelings of the old steam sheds allocated that class, but the feelings of the modern preservation movement who have close on 20 either rebuilt or awaiting restoration of the 842 originally constructed.  Believe me they were always loved and still are, being a true classic of British railway engineering.

[pjd7325]

Maybe thats the case then but again its individual taste. It was merely a comparrision maybe I should of used the class 47 as an example instead. ( I retract my statement re the balck 5's)
 Many people including me think they are great locomotives but again a very common sight on the network in loco hauled days.

[Marks DTM Calib]

I think a classic is a matter or personal taste to be honest. Like the example of the HST's still in service on the network. Many people I know think these are classics as they are the last proper train still in service rather than these awful voyagers etc. A lot of ex br steam men can't stand the black 5's as they were as common as muck in there era.
Take for example the rover sd1 I love them but my grandfather who worked for rover in that era thinks they are awful cars.

Numbers etc have nothing to do with it. I had a a 1992 BMW 750 before I got my second omega a few days ago and many people think they are a classic and others think its an old banger.

The main thing is that we all love our cars otherwise we wouldn't be here. I think the rarer versions of the omega will be classics like the rare 8v select etc

Blimey, thats weird, one of our volunteers who is ex BR steam says exactly the same, he even volunteered for the Duke of Gloucester once rather than a black 5.