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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #30 on: 09 November 2010, 21:35:04 »

are you referring to "twŁt  lights"
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #31 on: 09 November 2010, 21:36:30 »

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I hate fog lights - most common in town so they can look kewl in their shit boxes
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #32 on: 09 November 2010, 21:47:21 »

Sounds like they are trying to  pass on enforcement activities to MOT testers. Why? Because we pay for MOT tests and the authorities pay for Police. As said, the determined idiot will remove all the chavtastic "upgrades" from his Saxo before the test and carry on blinding people the day after.

It will probably end up like the new number plate regulations (requirement for BSAU and postcode). At the time I asked my MOT tester if he was seriously going to fail my car for not having these, despite having perfectly legal font and spacing, when he warned me about the new rules coming in. He just smiled. Sure enough, the rules got watered down.

What we desperately need, of course, is for all the cars with misspaced number plates, aftermarket HIDs that dazzle, lights that show blue light, excessively noisy exhausts, etc. hassled constantly by the Police. They'd soon stop bothering.

You only have to look at what happens in the US to realise what can be added to tests on vehicles supporting OBDII and later protocols. 5 gas emissions tests, checking for fault codes, checking that the vehicle has had time for all internal monitoring cycles to complete (so no clearing the codes straight before the test), checking of the Calibration Version Number to ensure the vehicle has the map it left the factory with. All possible with OBDII and later diag interfaces, and because these are standardised across the industry they just need to plug in and the the check is made.

No 3.2 would get through such an MOT.

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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #33 on: 09 November 2010, 21:51:23 »

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Sounds like they are trying to  pass on enforcement activities to MOT testers. Why? Because we pay for MOT tests and the authorities pay for Police. As said, the determined idiot will remove all the chavtastic "upgrades" from his Saxo before the test and carry on blinding people the day after.

It will probably end up like the new number plate regulations (requirement for BSAU and postcode). At the time I asked my MOT tester if he was seriously going to fail my car for not having these, despite having perfectly legal font and spacing, when he warned me about the new rules coming in. He just smiled. Sure enough, the rules got watered down.

What we desperately need, of course, is for all the cars with misspaced number plates, aftermarket HIDs that dazzle, lights that show blue light, excessively noisy exhausts, etc. hassled constantly by the Police. They'd soon stop bothering.

You only have to look at what happens in the US to realise what can be added to tests on vehicles supporting OBDII and later protocols. 5 gas emissions tests, checking for fault codes, checking that the vehicle has had time for all internal monitoring cycles to complete (so no clearing the codes straight before the test), checking of the Calibration Version Number to ensure the vehicle has the map it left the factory with. All possible with OBDII and later diag interfaces, and because these are standardised across the industry they just need to plug in and the the check is made.

No 3.2 would get through such an MOT.

Kevin

Why do you say that Kevin ??? If the car is un-modified (cat wise) and the MIL/Emissions lights are out and have been for 6 months ... why would it fail ??

Serious Q BTW .. not picking an argument .. I lack your in depth knowledge in a great number of areas !!!
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #34 on: 09 November 2010, 22:02:03 »

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Why do you say that Kevin ??? If the car is un-modified (cat wise) and the MIL/Emissions lights are out and have been for 6 months ... why would it fail ??

Serious Q BTW .. not picking an argument .. I lack your in depth knowledge in a great number of areas !!!

Ok.. The few that can keep an EML off for 6 months would be fine. The point being that if you reset the light, it takes a few driving cycles for the ECU to do its' internal monitoring (after which the light normally comes back on!). If the car is tested before enough driving has been done to complete the monitoring this is picked up via OBDII and it fails.

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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #35 on: 09 November 2010, 22:04:37 »

Another victory for the 4 pots  :P  ;D
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #36 on: 09 November 2010, 22:06:14 »

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Why do you say that Kevin ??? If the car is un-modified (cat wise) and the MIL/Emissions lights are out and have been for 6 months ... why would it fail ??

Serious Q BTW .. not picking an argument .. I lack your in depth knowledge in a great number of areas !!!

Ok.. The few that can keep an EML off for 6 months would be fine. The point being that if you reset the light, it takes a few driving cycles for the ECU to do its' internal monitoring (after which the light normally comes back on!). If the car is tested before enough driving has been done to complete the monitoring this is picked up via OBDII and it fails.

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OK .. thanks for that  .. :)

Last time mine was reset was return from France in Sep 2009. The "expected" 0420/0430 from France this year just never happened. Perhaps long term running on LPG makes a difference  ??
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #37 on: 09 November 2010, 22:08:07 »

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Another victory for the 4 pots  :P  ;D

because a limited number of V6s shows an EML every now & then? .............  :-? :-? :-? :-/
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« Reply #38 on: 09 November 2010, 22:10:15 »

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Another victory for the 4 pots  :P  ;D

because a limited number of V6s shows an EML every now & then? .............  :-? :-? :-? :-/

Limited meaning every 3.2  :D
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #39 on: 09 November 2010, 22:18:59 »

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Another victory for the 4 pots  :P  ;D

because a limited number of V6s shows an EML every now & then? .............  :-? :-? :-? :-/

Limited meaning every 3.2  :D

which is a very limited number of cars with a V6 fitted.
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #40 on: 09 November 2010, 22:21:39 »

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Another victory for the 4 pots  :P  ;D

because a limited number of V6s shows an EML every now & then? .............  :-? :-? :-? :-/

Limited meaning every 3.2  :D

which is a very limited number of cars with a V6 fitted.

Still, my original point remains, another victory for the 'inferior' 4 pot!  :P
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #41 on: 09 November 2010, 22:26:19 »

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Another victory for the 4 pots  :P  ;D

because a limited number of V6s shows an EML every now & then? .............  :-? :-? :-? :-/

Limited meaning every 3.2  :D

Had mine for over 2 years and no EML light???   :-/   ::)
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #42 on: 09 November 2010, 22:27:37 »

Plus, no guddling with the exhaust system to move lambda's or anything similar.

Its the same as it left the factory.....  ;)
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #43 on: 09 November 2010, 22:40:23 »

has the bulb blown?  :P
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #44 on: 09 November 2010, 22:45:05 »

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has the bulb blown?  :P

Are you a natural comedian?  If so, please consider a change of career......

No, its not blown.

I really get the hump when you generalise everything into one pile without thought that sometimes, just sometimes, some things might actually work as the makers intended and not just be another part of your generic assumption that anything not endorsed by you is crap....   ::)
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