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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #60 on: 10 November 2010, 12:17:41 »

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Another victory for the 4 pots  :P  ;D

because a limited number of V6s shows an EML every now & then? .............  :-? :-? :-? :-/

Limited meaning every 3.2  :D


If you bothered to READ the thread rather than make assumptions  ... you would see I've not had an EML light for 15 months ... so here is a 3.2 V6 without  a problem ... and H21 another ....   

"every" is a very big word when missused     :)


Wait.....is Tunnie winding people up rather than the other way around?  ::) ::) ;D ;D
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #61 on: 10 November 2010, 12:30:25 »

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Another victory for the 4 pots  :P  ;D

because a limited number of V6s shows an EML every now & then? .............  :-? :-? :-? :-/

Limited meaning every 3.2  :D


If you bothered to READ the thread rather than make assumptions  ... you would see I've not had an EML light for 15 months ... so here is a 3.2 V6 without  a problem ... and H21 another ....   

"every" is a very big word when missused     :)


Wait.....is Tunnie winding people up rather than the other way around?  ::) ::) ;D ;D

What i find interesting, is i've endured countless digs/jives/general slagging off of the 2.2 (2/3rds engine/missing two cylinders, throttle as volume control and general slagging off)

But look what happens when I have a little pop at the 3.2's!

Double standards I feel here!
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #62 on: 10 November 2010, 12:40:04 »

on the subject of HiD's....

it's currently legal to retro-fit, provided you do it safely, and the onus is on the driver to make sure that's the case at all times.

there's nothing stopping the Government making it simply illegal through legislation. It might be un-supportable by the EU, but there would be some sort of fight on I guess.

regarding the chipping. Well, according to the EU, it's already illegal to sell the equipment for cars manufactured after a certain date, but the difficulty would be proving it.

The UK MOT establishment is simply not fitted out for a Directibve-level check as they do in Germany, for instance. This would mean the difference between MOT stations investing £30,000 in test kit and £3,000,000 in test kit.

I've done more emissions tests for manufacturers than anyone I know, the kit is very complicated and expensive - you need a rolling-road emissions tester with NoX capability, at least £2.5 million quid at current prices.

they'll probably....

require MOT testers to ensure that the vehicle hasn't got HiDunless levelling and washing present.

and simply make it illegal to change the map, but not police it any further - they simply can't
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #63 on: 10 November 2010, 14:20:39 »

Luckily on my last MOT emmisions test, it was done on LPG. I wonder if they class that as ECU chipping?
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #64 on: 10 November 2010, 14:22:02 »

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I agree with you to a point but as someone who lives in Europe rather than a crowded little island sort of in Europe, I have to say that it is high time that the best practice from all countries in the EU was applied across the EU. I am fed up of the difficulties ordinary folk face with mororing in different countries.

Exactly. Best practice is currently our MOT system IMHO. Yet are Europe interested in adopting it?

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If you go on the coastal Motorway out of Malaga any weekend in the summer every other vehicle is foreign and hopefully road legal but you never know...

Likewise our roads are full of Polish, Czech & Latvian HGVs.

I know someone who came here from Portugal for a few years. I advised him that he ought to have an MOT on his car, even if just to cover himself. No MOT station in the UK would touch it because their system barfed as soon as a Portuguese registration number was entered.

The authorities in Portugal told him he doesn't need (and can't have) their equivalent test done as he's not driving the car in Portugal any more. ::)

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Why is the German tyre tread limit so much more rigourous than elsewhere?

The way Germans drive the car needs to be tip top.  :o I wonder if they bother checking handbrakes in a German test, because in 20+ years of travelling there regularly I have not once seen a German driver use the handbrake.

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No test required till X years old, then Biannual till ten years old and from then on annual is that it takes no account of driving habits.

Nor maintenance habits and enforcement habits. I have seen roadblocks where the Police just stop the traffic and check every car in mainland Europe so maybe more defective cars get picked up that way. Like that's going to happen on the M25. ;D The fact is, we rely very heavily on MOT testing to keep unsafe cars off the road, and the failure rate is 30-40% with an annual test. :o

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Don't know how to answer points like you have done - very clever stuff so here goes my style.

1. MOT testing. I think the British system is rubbish. Loads of small independent garages in cramped conditions with an axe to grind? I like the Spanish system. Clean, modern government run places, plenty of parking. Nice waiting rooms, efficient. You can book online( and choose your time slot and day) or over the phone. They only have a few per county but still plenty to choose from.

2. The law is very clear on legality of cars in other countries. The car must be legal in the country it is registered in. e.g. a Brit car in Spain must be taxed, MOT'd in Britain and insured. If you have it here for more than six months you need to convert it to a Spanish plated car. I presume the same rules apply in Britain to a Portugeuse car. However no one really knows or cares. One of my pet hates as it all potentially hinders labour movement arounbd the EU.

They do those road stops here in Spain. I have seen two. The concept is simple. They set up a heavily manned Roadblock(including a guy armed with a stinger itching to use it) on the motorway and stop every vehicle and look at documents (which here you must carry - should be the same in other countries too including GB). Then they close the roadblock when there is about TWO hours tailback and let everyone go with fines as appropriate or impounding for dangerous vehicles, drunks..
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #65 on: 10 November 2010, 14:45:37 »

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One of my pet hates as it all potentially hinders labour movement arounbd the EU.

That's OK, I get the impression that a large part of the UK population would rather there was no labour movement anywhere - certainly not into the UK ..

I get the same vibe from a fair few members of this forum, too, sadly :(



Aaaanyway I digress and I'm risking turning this into a flame war, again  :-X Zip it, Aaron.
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #66 on: 10 November 2010, 14:46:38 »

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1. MOT testing. I think the British system is rubbish. Loads of small independent garages in cramped conditions with an axe to grind? I like the Spanish system. Clean, modern government run places, plenty of parking. Nice waiting rooms, efficient. You can book online (and choose your time slot and day) or over the phone. They only have a few per county but still plenty to choose from.

I agree that a conflict of interest could occur with garages doing MOTs. I have no experience of any other system although I have friends in Northern Ireland who curse the system there, which is along the lines of government-run test centres as you describe.
I suspect to implement such a system across the UK the cost of a test would spiral out of control.

Garages take on work to cover most of their overheads so the cost of doing MOTs is the (not inconsiderable cost of) space plus the equipment required plus one or more testers, VOSA fees, etc. Resources which also bring in business when they are testing, and can carry out repairs and servicing when not. They can be seen as a sales / marketing overhead so the true cost is probably not passed on to the customer.

I suspect government run centres would have to be heavily subsidised (motorists subsidised? - not going to happen) or charge a lot more than the current (not desperately cheap) £50 odd a go.

Personally, I have found a small, local independent garage who are honest and reasonable yet thorough, don't discount the standard test fee but then don't find faults simply to bring in work, so the current system works fine for me.

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2. The law is very clear on legality of cars in other countries. The car must be legal in the country it is registered in. e.g. a Brit car in Spain must be taxed, MOT'd in Britain and insured. If you have it here for more than six months you need to convert it to a Spanish plated car. I presume the same rules apply in Britain to a Portugeuse car. However no one really knows or cares. One of my pet hates as it all potentially hinders labour movement arounbd the EU.

The problem being the authorities in the UK have no idea what standard a Spanish car should be maintained to and vice versa....

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They do those road stops here in Spain. I have seen two. The concept is simple. They set up a heavily manned Roadblock(including a guy armed with a stinger itching to use it) on the motorway and stop every vehicle and look at documents (which here you must carry - should be the same in other countries too including GB). Then they close the roadblock when there is about TWO hours tailback and let everyone go with fines as appropriate or impounding for dangerous vehicles, drunks..

As I said, it would cause uproar in the UK, hence we rely more on regular testing.

I don't see the point in carrying documents in the UK. I can be required to show them at a Police station if necessary. Why should I carry them? I'd rather they were safely "filed" at home. (Anyone who's seen my "filing system" please stop chuckling!)

Besides, Police will believe the PNC and/or a phone call to your insurer over and above any documents you carry which might relate to a cancelled insurance policy, or be forged, etc. We have moved on from paper documents being any use, IMHO.

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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #67 on: 10 November 2010, 18:12:22 »

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Another victory for the 4 pots  :P  ;D

because a limited number of V6s shows an EML every now & then? .............  :-? :-? :-? :-/

Limited meaning every 3.2  :D
Thats a negative here. Not even a stored code  :-X
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« Reply #68 on: 10 November 2010, 23:44:12 »

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Another victory for the 4 pots  :P  ;D

because a limited number of V6s shows an EML every now & then? .............  :-? :-? :-? :-/

Limited meaning every 3.2  :D
Thats a negative here. Not even a stored code  :-X
Same with the Black one  8-)  :y
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« Reply #69 on: 11 November 2010, 09:51:14 »

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Another victory for the 4 pots  :P  ;D

because a limited number of V6s shows an EML every now & then? .............  :-? :-? :-? :-/

Limited meaning every 3.2  :D
Thats a negative here. Not even a stored code  :-X
Same with the Black one  8-)  :y

I want to be one of the cool kids with no codes  :'( ;D
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« Reply #70 on: 11 November 2010, 10:25:23 »

All ths talk about  3.2 EML's is making me VERY nervous as mine is on and it's going for an MOT  tomorrow.Local stealers said that their Tech2  diagnostic was "inconclusive" so it looks like it's down to the MOT tester to have the final say! So watch this space.
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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #71 on: 11 November 2010, 12:04:31 »

I haven't heard of one fail an MOT emissions check yet.

The issue is emissions monitoring during warmup before the main cat is hot enough to be working. MOT testing is done once the engine and cat are fully warmed up. You'll be fine. :y

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Re: Banning of aftermarket HIDs (at last)?
« Reply #72 on: 11 November 2010, 14:05:25 »

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I wonder how many people out there have chipped their cars, especially the guys with TD's? This could upset a lot of people  :o

Darn: Too slow, as usual ;D


Yes me! This may force me to change cars, I guess I'll have to look at a petrol version. BooHoo :'( :'( :'(
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« Reply #73 on: 11 November 2010, 14:11:29 »

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Yes me! This may force me to change cars, I guess I'll have to look at a petrol version. BooHoo :'( :'( :'(

I wouldn't worry too much just yet! I'd be VERY surprised if they applied anything retrospectively, if at all.

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« Reply #74 on: 12 November 2010, 12:33:19 »

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All ths talk about  3.2 EML's is making me VERY nervous as mine is on and it's going for an MOT  tomorrow.Local stealers said that their Tech2  diagnostic was "inconclusive" so it looks like it's down to the MOT tester to have the final say! So watch this space.
What code do you have via pedal trick? 0420 0430 will not fail an mot on their own, don't worry.
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