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[feeutfo]

Trouble with making circuits safer, by having massive run off areas, is it makes it worse for spectators.  TV is less affected, as you can use large lenses, but people who pay £150+ for a ticket will get more and more alienated.

Alienate the fans, the sport dies.

Too late! Going by the comments on here...?

[aaronjb]

Trouble with making circuits safer, by having massive run off areas, is it makes it worse for spectators.  TV is less affected, as you can use large lenses, but people who pay £150+ for a ticket will get more and more alienated.

Alienate the fans, the sport dies.

Too late! Going by the comments on here...?

But not according to the viewing figures, at least based on what I could find via Google - incremental rises from 2009 through 2010 and 2011 for the UK and worldwide..

[albitz]

Viewing figures dont indicate quality though. If they did we could assume Corry/ eastenders are the best programmes on TV ever.

[aaronjb]

Viewing figures dont indicate quality though. If they did we could assume Corry/ eastenders are the best programmes on TV ever.

But they do indicate popularity - and F1 is never going to change radically to please the (I suspect minority of) people who wish it was 1964 while viewing figures are going up, because viewing figures equals income for Bernie

[Omegatoy]

I think they should be made to have a windscreen with wipers fitted!!!
no need for safety cars then they can all see a little!!
this would have also helped with Massa,s problem last year, its all about safety isnt it?

[TheBoy]

Trouble with making circuits safer, by having massive run off areas, is it makes it worse for spectators.  TV is less affected, as you can use large lenses, but people who pay £150+ for a ticket will get more and more alienated.

Alienate the fans, the sport dies.

Too late! Going by the comments on here...?

But not according to the viewing figures, at least based on what I could find via Google - incremental rises from 2009 through 2010 and 2011 for the UK and worldwide..

I suspect that 2009 saw a boast in UK due to Brawn/Button.  Actually, a couple of years before than due to Hamilton...

[albitz]

Viewing figures dont indicate quality though. If they did we could assume Corry/ eastenders are the best programmes on TV ever.

But they do indicate popularity - and F1 is never going to change radically to please the (I suspect minority of) people who wish it was 1964 while viewing figures are going up, because viewing figures equals income for Bernie

Not 1964. 1979 will do for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kre35Pct0yA

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl2tIFxSEGA&NR=1[/media]

In terms of "progress" this race was pretty historically significant. It was the first ever F1 race won by a 1500cc turbocar, but no-one remembers that. Everyone remembers the massive (but fair) duel between two very determined drivers.

[albitz]

......and if you talk to Italian F1 fans and mention Scumacher they hardly raise an eyebrow, but mention Gilles Villenueve and their eyes light up and they get excited and animated.

[feeutfo]

What a load of sentimental rubbish. How slow is that footage? Bored!

[albitz]

Lap times arent everything, and I suspect that the less professional camera work etc in those days has a lot to do with it. I used to go and watch F1 in those days and it was scarily fast. They were still approaching 200mph in parts.and dont forget, the cars used to fold up like a Tescos bag when they hit something solid, as poor old Gilles found out to his (ultimate) cost at Zolder in 82.

[feeutfo]

Well thank God we have moved on, is all I can say!

Its like Pop music IMO. What ever was around " back in the day " must have been best, according to some. Or  classic bikes, i'm sure you've heard the start of the speech when showing interest in whats obviously a lovingly restored project. Through dentures and a croaky voice " its a 1957 bantam bsa tiger cub (trumpet pox riden pile of crap that barely kept out of the weeds) and its far better than these plastic things they ride around on these days" bla bla.... its old and clapped out, MOVE ON!

To be far if that's what blows your skirt up so to speak, then great, but I really don't see what your expecting to find in F1 other than cutting edge technology. IMO they need to apply it to the track as well. There's no room for Gilles in that equation Albs. Accept it.

And paddock hill bend is over rated IMO. Brands Indy... There's bigger round abouts these days.

[albitz]

Popular music peaked at the end of the 60,s and tailed off into the mid 7o,s. Very little of merit since then. Anyone who says different knows nothing about music. End of.
Bikes - Peaked about 10 years ago. Anything since has been tiny improvements, exaggerated by the industry and press to keep the wheels of the wagon turning to keep them in jobs - traction control, two wheel drive, do me a rather favour. A 996/ early R1 or a blade from around 10 years ago. What more could you need, unless your racing against more modern machinery.
Bikes pre Fireblade - museum pieces, nuff said.
Brands Indy - yep far too small. Brands full circuit - a mans circuit. Will never forget standing on the outside of paddock bend (30 years ago) with 25 F1 cars at full chat heading from the startline towards the corner. The whole crowd instinctively took a couple of steps back. No gay 100 yard run off areas then. 
F1 drivers - true greats in my lifetime - Villenueve then Senna.Thats it.

[feeutfo]

Albs you are very very old.        

[albitz]

Albs you are very very wise.        

Thanks Chris.

[Hannah Judes Dad]

Build cars which suit the circuits - all this progress and development 'dangle berries' is overrated. Then get the British GP back to a proper circuit - Brands Hatch.First lap, paddock hill bend, that would sort the men from the boys.

Ah yeah, backward development. You have the answer there Albs. 

So we have the mountain at Cadwell leading up to the corkscrew, leading down into the infield at Saxon ring up and over the hill to the drop off right hander at the back of the circuit, leading to the back straight at Silverstone going directly into the fast left at Abbey(old circuit now banned) into Bridge, do the complex, main straight turn 1 then maggots, beckets, chapel.....  Then what?

The Bombhole - Snetterton then Island bend and Shell Oils at Oulton Park perhaps