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Oil Trouble
« on: 05 August 2007, 23:58:23 »

Well it all started last summer when all of a sudden I noticed that the oil level needed topping-up – regularly. By December’s 5k oil change I topped-up over 1L.

It was then that I spotted an oil leak from the rear of the driver’s-side cam cover. I obviously assumed this was the reason for the oil loss, so bought the bits and in April this year had the gasket changed. I checked the passenger-side cover as well, but as it seemed dry all around I did not change it.

However the oil loss did not stop… over the past 2.5k miles since April I already added 3/4L of oil.

The car was due for the summer 5k oil change, so today I had a good look all around and under the engine bay. There is absolutely no sign of a leak anywhere, both cam covers are dry, as well the underside and the sump.

The two sources of hidden oil leaks that I could think of are the oil cooler and the rear crank seal. The coolant does not seem to have any oil in it (I changed it today, so I know…), but I have no easy way of finding-out if the rear crank oil seal is leaking into the torque converter so this remains a theoretical possibility.

Then something else occurred to me – the car was always getting semi-synth 10W-40, until last year’s summer oil change which was done by Vx who decided to ‘surprise’ me with Mobil-S full-synth 5W-40, and at the December oil change I used Mobil-1 full-synth 0W-40. So this got me thinking – is the missing oil problem related to the use of full-synth?

Well it wouldn’t be that old problem of oil leaks developing when swapping from mineral or semi-synth to full-synth, because there is apparently no oil leak in the first place… but what if the 5W and 0W viscosities are too thin for the engine when cold, and it then consumes some oil until it warms up? But if this is the case then this should also be applicable to Vx full-synth oil which is 5W-30…

So I think this a bit farfetched, but to test this theory I used for today’s oil change Vx’s good old semi-synth 10W-40, and will report back in a couple of thousand miles to let you know what happened.

Incidentally, I agree with Mark DTM who made a comment that an engine that consumes some oil is a good thing, as it provides good lubrication for the piston rings. But the point is that I can’t afford to feed it with the very expensive Mobil-1 diet, so even if it continues to need topping-up then at least I will be using Vx low-cost oil… and I still don't understand how from not consuming any noticeable amount of oil it turned over-night to an oil drinker.

Also, on the issue of oil costs, I just came back from Italy where a litre of Mobil-1 0W-40 costs 11.00 Euro (around £7.50), as opposed to the £13.00 it costs at my local Esso garage…  >:(
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Re: Oil Trouble
« Reply #1 on: 06 August 2007, 08:17:03 »

Oo an oil thread!

Seriously though; I'll be interested to hear your findings on this.
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Re: Oil Trouble
« Reply #2 on: 06 August 2007, 10:12:39 »

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Oo an oil thread!
Seriously though; I'll be interested to hear your findings on this.

No no no, please don't say that  :(

 ;D

Seriously, this is not an oil thread, I am trying to find the source of my oil leak / oil consumption problem...

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Re: Oil Trouble
« Reply #3 on: 06 August 2007, 11:36:16 »

Run it on some Vx Semi synth 10W40 and see what it does.

I assume the breathers are all nice and clear!
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Re: Oil Trouble
« Reply #4 on: 06 August 2007, 12:46:29 »

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Run it on some Vx Semi synth 10W40 and see what it does.

I assume the breathers are all nice and clear!

They are now...  :-[

I cleaned them in April when the camcover was done. Blocked solid, they were....


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Re: Oil Trouble
« Reply #5 on: 06 August 2007, 13:46:36 »

Well they would have increased oil consumption, did it improve after that?
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Re: Oil Trouble
« Reply #6 on: 06 August 2007, 15:29:59 »

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Well they would have increased oil consumption, did it improve after that?


No...  :(

Between April (when the cam covers and breathers were done) and now the car covered 2.5k miles and drank 0.75L of expensive Mobil-1 oil....

I just changed the oil yesterday, so will give it another couple of months to see how it goes with the Vx stuff.




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Re: Oil Trouble
« Reply #7 on: 04 September 2007, 12:23:09 »

For those of you who did not follow this thread from a couple of months ago, I was hoping that replacing the Mobil1 0W-40 oil with GM 10W-40 will cure my mysterious oil consumption problem, after no leaks were found, no oil in header tank etc.

Well it goes like this: oil level checked at 600 miles after oil change, full to the top mark. oil level checked today, 800 miles after oil change, around 2/3L short. I just came back yesterday from a 160 miles trip to Kent mainly on motorway (A2/M2).

So the good news is that I was unable to establish that using full-synthetic oil or 0W oil is in any way responsible for the oil consumption. The bad news is obvious...

In spite of these findings I will not be using full-synth again for as long as the oil consumption remains as it is, simply too expensive to keep topping it up...


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Re: Oil Trouble
« Reply #8 on: 04 September 2007, 12:30:40 »

 :'(



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Re: Oil Trouble
« Reply #9 on: 04 September 2007, 12:33:25 »

Strange. Mine never used s drop, ever.
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Re: Oil Trouble
« Reply #10 on: 04 September 2007, 12:44:09 »

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Strange. Mine never used s drop, ever.

Neither did mine in it first five years (its a Y-reg so I have the car for 6 years now), the problem only started last year  :(
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Re: Oil Trouble
« Reply #11 on: 04 September 2007, 12:49:44 »

It gets worst... I bought two 5L cans of GM 10W-40 oil, used one to fill up after draining the old oil, and a bit of the other to top up to the mark. I then collected the old oil into the empty can that I had left from the fill-up. I then poured the old oil into the recycling container at the council's recycling site. I remember thinking to myself how clean the old oil looked.. you guessed it  :( today when I wanted to top-up I realised I had on my hands one 5L can of black oil...  I poured brand new oil down the drain :'(
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Re: Oil Trouble
« Reply #12 on: 04 September 2007, 13:18:24 »

oh b@llocks :'( :'(  

I'd be suspicious of your near side cam cover - did you check the plug wells while you were in there?

Did I read your post right that between 600 and 800 miles it used 2/3L :o - are you sure?  
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« Reply #13 on: 04 September 2007, 13:22:29 »

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oh b@llocks :'( :'(  

I'd be suspicious of your near side cam cover - did you check the plug wells while you were in there?

Ran my finger all around the camcover (suffering minor cuts on the rear bend..) and it is bone dry.

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Did I read your post right that between 600 and 800 miles it used 2/3L :o - are you sure?  

That's what the dipstick is saying.....  :(




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Re: Oil Trouble
« Reply #14 on: 04 September 2007, 13:41:18 »

They also leak internally into the plugs (nearside is difficult to check without removing plenum etc).  Maybe worth pulling no.1 plug HT lead just to check in there.

I know this sounds stupid, but try inserting the dipstick the other way round.  I get significantly different readings depending on which side of the flat is facing the engine.
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