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Re: Lack Of Power etc.......
« Reply #45 on: 13 March 2007, 18:16:18 »

After checking what I can there's no difference.
So I'm wondering what would be the most likely cause of a low tick-over?
& in case they're unrelated what would be the most likely cause of a lack of power at low revs?
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« Reply #46 on: 13 March 2007, 19:16:16 »

Tickover should be controlled by the IACV (Idle Air Control Valve, on the passenger side of the plenum). The ECU should open this until the engine will idle at the correct speed and then compensate for rapid changes by adjusting the ignition timing.

As long as the IACV is working and can pass enough air the ECU should get the idle speed right.
Is the IACV clean?

If it's duff, you'll find the idle very slow when cold because normally the ECU will aim for a higher idle speed after a cold start but the IACV won't be able to pass the increased amount of air required for a cold engine. You'll find the idle speed increases slowly as the engine warms up and maybe doesn't get compensated when you turn the steering wheel, switch on the A/C, etc. I'm sure this would cause a fault code though, and you state that the idle is stable when you add these loads.

How does the idle speed stabilise when you blip the throttle then release? Does it dip under the normal speed and then recover or does it settle gently to the normal speed?

The IACV has no effect on normal running when you're on the throttle, however.

I could think of a few things it could be (throttle pot, air / water temperature sensors, MAF) but I'm struggling to think of something that wouldn't be noticed straight away by the ECU and result in a fault code.

Don't suppose the exhaust / cat is blocked? It did blow an air injection pipe?

Then again, I would have thought that would strangle it progressively more at higher revs.

Has the battery been disconnected recently? Maybe the ECU is "re-learning" the correct idle speed and ignition advance. It shouldn't be taking this long though - unless it's not getting its' permanent feed from the battery to keep the non volatile RAM safe? No fuses blown?

Is the air injection pipe sealed now? I guess air being sucked into the pipe could fool the lambda sensors into thinking it's got a lean mixture and result in it running too rich? Then again closed loop won't be active during idle and it'd probably result in a fault light. I take it the engine and emissions fault lights do work OK?

It's a real tough one!

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« Reply #47 on: 14 March 2007, 07:26:30 »

OK an update & maybe related.

EML came on this morning whilst overtaking  :o
It was constant (not a flicker) whilst accelerating & went off when I eased off.
I tried to recreate this on the rest of the journey but couldn't get it to happen again, I'll do the paperclip test on Sat too.

(ICV was cleaned & lubed not long ago, will be doing again Sat. Exhaust is less than a year old).
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« Reply #48 on: 14 March 2007, 15:37:30 »

I've got to get to East Mids airport on Weds so thought I'd better do the paperclip test ASAP, don't want it conking out on me on the way & missing my flight!

Got code; 74 which I believe is;      Air Flow Sensor (AFS)        High voltage

Where does this live, what do I need to do & is it likely to cause problems if I can't get it done before then.

Cheers.
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« Reply #49 on: 14 March 2007, 15:47:02 »

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I've got to get to East Mids airport on Weds so thought I'd better do the paperclip test ASAP, don't want it conking out on me on the way & missing my flight!

Got code; 74 which I believe is;      Air Flow Sensor (AFS)        High voltage

Where does this live, what do I need to do & is it likely to cause problems if I can't get it done before then.

Cheers.
That's the MAF, thought that might be the problem.  Wonder if the wires got unhappy after Brackley.
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Re: Lack Of Power etc.......
« Reply #50 on: 14 March 2007, 15:50:39 »

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Where does this live, what do I need to do & is it likely to cause problems if I can't get it done before then.

It's in the intake ducting in the vertical section between the air filter and the bottom of the dual ram system. There should be a wire attached to it and another wire in that area which goes to an intake air temperature sensor. First job is to check the wiring's secure after the cam belt day I guess...

At least we've got a lead now.

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« Reply #51 on: 14 March 2007, 15:54:35 »

Just a thought Bo Bo but do you have to oil that airfilter your using?
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« Reply #52 on: 14 March 2007, 16:55:20 »

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Just a thought Bo Bo but do you have to oil that airfilter your using?
Clean & oil every 10k  ;)
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« Reply #53 on: 14 March 2007, 16:58:29 »

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Where does this live, what do I need to do & is it likely to cause problems if I can't get it done before then.

It's in the intake ducting in the vertical section between the air filter and the bottom of the dual ram system. There should be a wire attached to it and another wire in that area which goes to an intake air temperature sensor. First job is to check the wiring's secure after the cam belt day I guess...

At least we've got a lead now.

Kevin
OK think I'm looking at the right thing (it has a Bosch 0280217503 on it) & all of the connectors & vac pipes are connected.......
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« Reply #54 on: 14 March 2007, 17:01:09 »

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Just a thought Bo Bo but do you have to oil that airfilter your using?
Clean & oil every 10k  ;)
I have heard of the oil from the airfilter contaminating the MAF if you put too much on.
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« Reply #55 on: 14 March 2007, 17:12:29 »

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Just a thought Bo Bo but do you have to oil that airfilter your using?
Clean & oil every 10k  ;)
I have heard of the oil from the airfilter contaminating the MAF if you put too much on.
It's only been on a couple of months & was almost dry to the touch when new (I haven't oiled it) , had a K&N panel filter before the cone for a couple of years. I've had a "flat spot" in mid revs for a long time, could this have been the air flow sensor on it's way out?
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« Reply #56 on: 14 March 2007, 17:26:09 »

It doesn't take long....thats why I absolutely dont recommend cone or oiled filters.....the oil gets onto the MAF and you get problems....plus all you gain is noise....and heat soak....

You could try cleaing it with some foaming keyboard cleaner....but dont physicaly touch the element inside...
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« Reply #57 on: 14 March 2007, 17:55:38 »

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It doesn't take long....thats why I absolutely dont recommend cone or oiled filters.....the oil gets onto the MAF and you get problems....
You live & learn!

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You could try cleaing it with some foaming keyboard cleaner....but dont physicaly touch the element inside...
I have some of that stuff so will give it a go.......
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« Reply #58 on: 14 March 2007, 19:59:28 »

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I've got to get to East Mids airport on Weds so thought I'd better do the paperclip test ASAP, don't want it conking out on me on the way & missing my flight!

Got code; 74 which I believe is;      Air Flow Sensor (AFS)        High voltage

Where does this live, what do I need to do & is it likely to cause problems if I can't get it done before then.

Cheers.
Could still be an air leak on the intake, so don't rule this out...

Possibly easiest test is to 'borrow' someones MAF to see if it cures it...
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